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  • Originally posted by RestlessLegs View Post
    The scale is moving downward, however slowly. I've lost about 8 lbs. in 6 weeks.
    Well done on the great loss & energy surge. There are many people who would love to lose lb a week & you have bettered that

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    • Oh! One more thing - this may have been covered, but a great way to add fat to your ground beef is to add softened butter to it ala Julia Child - her Biftek Haché à la Lyonnaise recipe. I made this frequently, but I skip the step where she wants us to roll the patties in flour. My family goes crazy for these.

      Style Recipe - Julia Child’s Biftek Haché à la Lyonnaise (Ground Beef with Onions and Herbs)

      Mangi!
      SW 209 | PSW 203 | GW 158

      Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Calorie Counter

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      • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
        Well done on the great loss & energy surge. There are many people who would love to lose lb a week & you have bettered that
        Thank you. Yes, I'm grateful the scale is moving in the right direction.

        This has been an interesting experience. I have been reading about Jimmy Moore's experience with going low carb, losing so much weight, then gaining some of it back, and then his experience with NK and how that is working for him. I feel I have kind of paralleled that experience, as 10 years ago I lost quite a bit of weight going low carb, then gained some of it back. It has finally "clicked" that it has been too much protein for me. Switching to higher fat and moderate protein, no matter how counterintuitive it seemed at first, is working.

        Another non-scale success that I have noticed is that I have had this weird and somewhat painful bump at the base of my thumb - I believe a ganglion cyst. Well, since adopting the EMF way of life, it is gone! I believe getting inflammation under control (or eliminated) is taking care of some of the weird little annoyances in my life. Yeah!

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        • Okay everyone. I may be going to Disneyland in a couple of weeks. I love Disney because they are so accomodating with special dietary needs. My friend wants to drive I think, so I am going to pack a good sized suitcase so I can bring my own food. Even before primal, I used to take my own stuff, but it was carb heavy convenience stuff like gluten free snack bars and little pouches of peanut butter. My friend and I are on TOTALLY different schedules. She is a night owl and I am totally a morning person. She eats whenever (and can go HOURS without eating even if she is hungry) and I've tended to be more on a schedule--though hoping that has changed in the last couple of weeks, lol). SO I'm trying to think of portable stuff that can be taken into the park and/or eaten quickly in the room to supplement what I can buy at the park or to tide me over until my friend gets up.

          The drive will take at least 7 hours I think, so refrigerated stuff might not work too well, though if it's frozen, one of those cooler bag things might work. And, I'm not entirely sure our room will have anything more than one of those mini fridges. Some down there have full sized, but not sure where we are staying yet.

          Inside the park I can get turkey legs at fast food (my friend prefers junk fast food, lol) and maybe once a day we'll eat at a food court.

          I think the week will probably end up being protein heavy, but that's a little better than being carb heavy. Some of the things I plan to take:

          -Olives
          -Almond butter
          -Tuna and/or salmon pouches w/ mayo packets. (I have to be careful here because the smell of canned fish will make my friend sick, lol).
          -Raw coconut cocao macaroons (7 carbs each, from the coconut and a little agave nectar)--I've been having one for breakfast w/coffee
          -Macadamia nuts
          -Would it be weird to take a stick of butter, lol?
          -Boxed broth (especially good if our room has a microwave--then the butter will work well to)

          Can you think of anything else?
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          Donna

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          • ^ If you like it, Pemmican.
            -- Ruth

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            • ^ LOL, had to actually look that up! I did find a recipe here. I've never had it.
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              Donna

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              • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                Gosh, that makes me feel special!

                Making a batch right now.

                3 to 4 pounds of bones roasted in a 400 degree oven until browned
                Let cool
                Put them in a crock pot add cuttings from veggies (celery and onion and garlic bits) and cover with cold filtered water
                Add a splash of apple cider vinegar
                Salt and any seasonings you like (I like spike)
                Cook on low until the marrow is soft
                Strain through a fine sieve
                I usually use it 1 part to 3 parts water in soups
                Freeze it in ice cube trays
                THANK YOU - I am printing this out right now before I loose it. I have a package of beef bones defrosting in the fridge. I bought them last summer to make beef stock, but forgot them in the deep freeze. What a pleasant surprise to find them. I plan to have a cup of broth each evening before bed.
                "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have'. Do you understand?" - Ron Swanson

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                • Originally posted by geostump View Post
                  @desertcreature when making bone broth, make sure you use a whole onion, skin and all in it. The skin gives an extra layer of flavor and color that adds richness. My latest batch of beef bone broth is the richest one I've made yet. I cooked it for 72 hours in the crock pot and it is amazing. I also add whole garlic cloves(in skin) and a bay leaf or 2. I do add a small amount of salt to mine but not a lot as I add a half bouillon cube to mine and have a cup in the morning for breakfast.
                  Thank you for this tip - I will use the whole onion. I don't know if I am patient enough to wait 72 hours though!
                  "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have'. Do you understand?" - Ron Swanson

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                  • I'm bowing out of this thread for a bit. I need to take a breather on the tracking and calculations for a while. Wishing you all the best of luck - you'll be in my prayers and thoughts!
                    1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                    2. Eat to heal
                    3. Move to live
                    4. Embrace today
                    5. Live with intention
                    6. Respect my body
                    7. Cultivate joy
                    8. Find my passion
                    9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                    • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                      I'm bowing out of this thread for a bit. I need to take a breather on the tracking and calculations for a while. Wishing you all the best of luck - you'll be in my prayers and thoughts!
                      We'll miss you Tomi!
                      Primal since March 5, 2012
                      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                      • take care of yourself tomi!

                        regarding the bone broth...I save the trimmings when I cut up veggies, onions, and garlic and put them all together in a container I keep in the freezer, because this is what my grandmother did. This includes the end and skins of everything. But I have no idea, nor can I find anything online, that will give the macros. When I roast the bones it renders fat, and I pour that off to use for cooking. I also filter off fat after I strain it, again for cooking. So it is pretty low in fat, and I would add a pat or two of butter if I was drinking it out of the cup. But mostly I use mine to make soups and general cooking. When I track there is a homemade bone broth in MFP I think, and I just use that.

                        Geo, it freezes beautifully if you end up with leftovers.

                        p.s. I forgot to mention, the broth sits at least 48 hours in the crock pot. But it depends on the bones, it needs to go long enough to release the marrow, then I usually let it go another overnight after that.
                        Last edited by demuralist; 03-05-2013, 02:09 PM. Reason: add p.s.
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • Originally posted by geostump View Post
                          I did my first walk today through the hilly 'hood I occupy and for the first time in like ever, I didn't need my inhaler half way through the walk. I am an asthmatic, so I take it with me. I did use it when I got home to help slow my breath down but that was it. No hyperventilation or anything like that. I walked for 27 minutes and it was amazing to me how easy it was. Even going uphill seemed like a breeze.
                          Brilliant!

                          I found my 15k on the cross trainer yesterday morning felt easier. I'm approaching the end of wk 2 in NK and I think my body is starting to settle in. I had my second day of suppressed appetite, which is really going to take some getting used to.

                          Question for the hive mind: How do you reconcile the need for a certain calorie intake to stop slowing of the metabolism with the suppressed appetite thing?

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                          • For me the fat calories add up quickly enough that I don't have problems hitting my calorie intake even with appetite suppression. fat doesn't take up much room in the belly and I can always add it to drinks and whatever I do eat.
                            Chris
                            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                            My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                            • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                              For me the fat calories add up quickly enough that I don't have problems hitting my calorie intake even with appetite suppression. fat doesn't take up much room in the belly and I can always add it to drinks and whatever I do eat.
                              Sorry, I wasn't clear. My appetite is feeling very suppressed, so I'm struggling to eat enough to hit my calorie total. Even with fat. So what does being in deep NK/appetite suppression do to the BMR requirements? Is the body automatically making up the difference with increased fat burning for energy requirements?

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                              • Ah. Sorry that one is beyond the scope of my knowledge. In fact i would venture to say that at best, with a bit of googling, you will find an educated guess. From an N=1 stand point, you can keep meticulous notes and see what happens to you when you dont reach your BMR. Having read Dr. Attia's blog as well as a couple of others doing a Deep Nk experiment, I dont remember seeing anything about not being able to eat enough, fat or orherwise, to reach BMR. In fact Dr. Attis eats over 3,000 calories daily. Have you checked out his blog to see if there is some insight to glean from it?

                                ps are you on MFP just curious about what it you are eating to get into the deep nk/appetite suppression
                                Last edited by demuralist; 03-05-2013, 04:01 PM. Reason: Add ps
                                Chris
                                "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                                Unknown

                                My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                                My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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