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  • Well those numbers came out all crazy looking. Sorry. I'm losing weight (like .5 in a week) but not like I was the first few weeks when I'm certain I just THOUGHT I was in ketosis (water weight?). I thought for sure I'd be up around the 2's today so I was perplexed to see it actually dropped. I've been testing in the morning so I wanted to be consistent. What does the testing of the FBG show/prove? Does anyone understand the correlation?

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    • do you mean FBS? the idea, for me, is that Dr. Ede, who is doing her own N=1 experiment, posted a blog that included information from a doctor who states that being in deep ketosis and having FBS in the 50's will deter if not cure cancer. He quoted studies. Rats I can't find the details of either her blog or his study. I can look it up when I get home, unless Pebbles jumps in here before then.

      I would kill to lose .5 a pound a week consistently.
      Chris
      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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      • I just checked MFP and while I haven't been practicing EMF the last couple of days, my carbs have remained at about 16% of my calories and my fat has been about 65% of my calories. Not bad for not really trying...

        Tomorrow, I be trying again.
        Primal since March 5, 2012
        SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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        • Megan, I have read that you do need a high percentage (70 or more percent of total calories) of fat in relation to the other macros to reach deep ketosis. Our original macro formula gives most people from 70-75% fat.

          So your mission if you choose to accept it it to keep carbs and protein low, but eat the fat!

          The lower Fasting Blood Glucose (55-65 mg/dl) correlates to a higher blood ketone level. It is useful for those of us that do not have a ketone monitor or are trying to hit a lower FBG for cancer prevention.
          Last edited by Pebbles67; 02-26-2013, 03:27 PM.
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          • I would say ya'll are doing great. I've stopped fussing about macros and and ketones, and I'm just living and eating. I have lost a total of 15 pounds since february 1st. 10 of which I am convinced was water weight. Doesn't matter to me. My whole second week, russian circus was in town and I gained SEVEN freaking pounds of water weight by day 2 and spent the next 5 days losing it. Today was the first new progress. Down an official pound since beginning of Russian circus. Take that mother nature. I really hope someday I won't gain so much weight with it. It's very irritating to deal with THAT on top of it. Ya know?

            I have been getting sick over the last three days. Started with a sore throat and has now turned to a cough and chest full a gunk. Mom and dad are both sick. I am trying to aid myself my water, tea and extra vit C. They are stuffing themselves with ice cream, frozen pizza and brandy. Yeah, because that's going to help. Sometimes, it's really freaking hard to live with these two.

            I originally came back to this place because Mom couldn't take of herself or the house. I genuinely believed it was out of her control- her health being so bad. NOW I believe that almost all of it is related to her piss poor diet of cheese sticks, frozen pizza, fast food and every sugary substance on earth.

            Ok, I could go on but I'll end this rant. I'm just crabby and sick.
            The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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            • Ya know what I don't get about ketosis? Back in the day, when I was 9 years old and on my first diet (thanks, dad) I did atkins. So you know, I ate nothing but meant, cheese and eggs in butter, or raw. I was in ketosis the whole time. Pretty sure, though I was eating quite a bit of fat, my protein what through the roof. Why is that if people are saying fat has to be the highest to get into ketosis? NOT trying to be a jerk or combative or anything. I'm just remember what I went through, and now I'm confused.
              The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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              • I've been eating very low carb Primal and losing weight for the last 2 years. I can't even manage the level of "trace" on the Ketostick. Will the blood ketone monitor show if I'm in ketosis?
                Last edited by Rosemary 231; 02-26-2013, 03:57 PM.

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                • I think with the alcohol, it gets in the way because it's a carb/sugar that the body burns first for quick energy. So if you don't imbibe, you keep on burning the fat. I think! But I don't drink, so ... *g*

                  This new way of approaching nutrition is starting to settle. I do find it hard to get the fat in, not because I don't like it but because there's a lot of fat to eat every day! But I'm adding CO to every mug of bone broth, plus I cook my morning eggs in a mix of grass fed butter and CO, and I beat them with some heavy cream first, I'm eating the fattiest cuts of meat/chicken I can find and eating an avocado every day.

                  The Russian Circus (great label!) has just pulled up stakes, and I'll jump on the scales first of the month for a base line. But I can see just looking the mirror that I've dropped some weight, and I can feel it in my body. I'm trying hard to focus on visual/sensory clues about how this is working for me instead of falling into the trap of letting external cues dictate how I feel about myself and my body. Because I have to keep reminding myself - I don't need someone else to jump on the scales for me to work out that they're carrying too much adipose on their body. So if I can tell with someone else, I should be able to tell with me. And I must must must learn to trust myself and my judgements instead of waiting for external validation.

                  Back to exercise this morning too. Simple cardio, walking/elliptical machine, to get things moving. This is probably my biggest challenge. Before I broke my immune system, many years ago, I was so fit. I was 9 stone, running 20-30 miles a week, just wonderful. Since then, all I do is struggle to get back there. But I can do it, and I will.

                  Gladmorning, I am so sorry you're enduring such a negative space. It's really really hard. I'm keeping good thoughts for you. As for the cold, can I recommend the chicken broth loaded with garlic, to kill the crappy germs? Also some zinc.

                  As ever, thanks everyone for the ongoing inspiration.

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                  • A few thoughts...

                    There are different levels of ketosis. Anything from .5mmol to 5.0mmol Ketones in the blood is ketosis.

                    Ketostix are notoriously inaccurate. Some people don't register, others get super high readings, but blood ketone readings may not match.

                    Some of us are striving for the 4.0-5.0 range which calls for high fat, low carb and for some, lower protein.
                    Primal since 9/24/2010
                    "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

                    Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
                    MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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                    • Demuralist my husband works out of town for 20 day each month and has a very poor diet while he is gone. Well I decided that I was going to convert the kids over to primal and stoped buying the chips and crap. He came home for his 10 days off and even though we were eating ribs and steak and chicken he was pissed that their wasn't any frozen pizza or ramen noodles or chips in the house which ended up with me going out to the store at 10 pm to buy his stuff. He was really upset but after being off primal and gaining the 20lbs I lost plus 10 more pounds he has said we should start eating this way again. He is a normal size man, ranges from 155-170 at 5'6" with a little beer belly, and has decided he wants to get back to his lean weight. We were both pretty thin when we met but after 2 kids have both gained weight.

                      Gladmorning I wanted to recomend trying some Elderberry syrup. A few weeks ago my children both seemed to be coming down with the flu and after 3 doses were back to their healthy selves. It has also helped to shorten a cold I had a while back, usually they would last weeks but it only lasted about 3 days and wasn't to bad (I may also contribute that to quiting smoking).

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                      • Regarding the question of ketosis and why some have to do more macinations with the macros to lose weight, well if we knew the answer we would be rich. I do know that my first diet, 40+ years ago worked much better than my last one about a year ago. That is why this thread is all about supporting each contributor in their own N=1 experiment.
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                        Unknown

                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • Well I'm frustrated . I've been on a huge binging streak, and it's not like I keep bad things in my house which means I'm going out to the store and buying all sorts of crap food which in turn is making me feel all kinds of physically/emotionally crappy. I'm debating going the 5 htp/l glutamine route, what are people's experiences with it, doseage, etc? It sounds like maybe it could be something that might work on my sleep issues too?

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                          • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                            A few thoughts...

                            There are different levels of ketosis. Anything from .5mmol to 5.0mmol Ketones in the blood is ketosis.

                            Ketostix are notoriously inaccurate. Some people don't register, others get super high readings, but blood ketone readings may not match.

                            Some of us are striving for the 4.0-5.0 range which calls for high fat, low carb and for some, lower protein.
                            Makes more sense now. It just struck me. Of course, now that I'm thinking about it again... I was nine freakin' year old. My body was probably like.. "The hell?"

                            Originally posted by SAdams View Post
                            Demuralist my husband works out of town for 20 day each month and has a very poor diet while he is gone. Well I decided that I was going to convert the kids over to primal and stoped buying the chips and crap. He came home for his 10 days off and even though we were eating ribs and steak and chicken he was pissed that their wasn't any frozen pizza or ramen noodles or chips in the house which ended up with me going out to the store at 10 pm to buy his stuff. He was really upset but after being off primal and gaining the 20lbs I lost plus 10 more pounds he has said we should start eating this way again. He is a normal size man, ranges from 155-170 at 5'6" with a little beer belly, and has decided he wants to get back to his lean weight. We were both pretty thin when we met but after 2 kids have both gained weight.

                            Gladmorning I wanted to recomend trying some Elderberry syrup. A few weeks ago my children both seemed to be coming down with the flu and after 3 doses were back to their healthy selves. It has also helped to shorten a cold I had a while back, usually they would last weeks but it only lasted about 3 days and wasn't to bad (I may also contribute that to quiting smoking).
                            I will see if I can find some elderberry syrup tomorrow, thank you! Sounds like you were in a very situation to mine. Only now, I refuse to bring the crap home. I always get 2-3 texts messages from her when I'm at working asking for things. I've stopped bringing them. I always come up with an excuse as to why. I know she's going to catch on, and the Shit is going to hit the fan.

                            Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                            Regarding the question of ketosis and why some have to do more macinations with the macros to lose weight, well if we knew the answer we would be rich. I do know that my first diet, 40+ years ago worked much better than my last one about a year ago. That is why this thread is all about supporting each contributor in their own N=1 experiment.
                            Which is why I follow this thread adamantly. There are so many wonderful people here so unafraid to try new experiments. Lots of good info with good ideas to try if something doesn't work. I think I am starting to fully understand the whole fat/protein thing. Ketosis... well... that I will probably never understand. I am back into it, though. I hate the taste in my mouth.
                            The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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                            • Originally posted by Rosemary 231 View Post
                              I've been eating very low carb Primal and losing weight for the last 2 years. I can't even manage the level of "trace" on the Ketostick. Will the blood ketone monitor show if I'm in ketosis?
                              I've never managed to get a trace on a ketostix either though I have never eaten more than 12g carb for the past year so have given up on them. I suspect it might be too much water as I do drink a lot of it

                              I think a ketone blood monitor is the only way to go, though given megqn's experience so far, I'd like to get a better understqnding of what works before I try as the sticks are so expensive. Looking forward to Demuralist being the next guinea pig

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                              • Originally posted by Neanderthal Betty View Post
                                Well I'm frustrated . I've been on a huge binging streak, and it's not like I keep bad things in my house which means I'm going out to the store and buying all sorts of crap food which in turn is making me feel all kinds of physically/emotionally crappy. I'm debating going the 5 htp/l glutamine route, what are people's experiences with it, doseage, etc? It sounds like maybe it could be something that might work on my sleep issues too?
                                l-glutamine powder placed under the tongue can help stop the brain craving for carbs. It is an amino acid that the brain uses for fuel. I find it useful when I am out of calories and protein for the day, but feel bingey.

                                I use 5htp to improve my sleep and raise evening levels of serotonin. Night bingers often have lower than normal evening levels. I would start with one 50 mg dose with dinner.
                                Primal since 9/24/2010
                                "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

                                Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
                                MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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