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  • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
    No. It was so frustrating to be unable to see his results after reading the comments section.
    Ketone Measuring | DietDoctor.com

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    • Originally posted by tomi View Post
      OH - well I guess that isn't such a bad price....... but still - my cheapness is saying, "do I need to spend $14.99 for something that I will pee on and throw away?" Maybe I'll splurg just once

      SCIENCE, Tomi, SCIENCE!!!!!

      And yes, the booze will probably throw you out.

      I'm 4 days on the wagon... care to join me?

      Julie

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      • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
        There is a recipe group for LCHF on MDA , and in that group there is a discussion called "How to get more fat for NK" and there are 2 links in there with suggestions. Also many of us are members of MyFitnessPal and have friended each other, so we can check out each other's diaries for ideas and suggestions. The recipe group itself also has recipes for fat bombs and other things for getting fat.
        Great, I was just wondering the same thing as BklynGirl.
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        Donna

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        • Originally posted by Annlee View Post
          Yeah Thanks, I've read all of those, but none of them seem to clearly follow up on his post from Sept 10th. He has a bad habit of laying out teasers and then never answering them. IMO anyway. I prefer the clear way Dr. EDE gives her results.
          Primal since 9/24/2010
          "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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          • Originally posted by tomi View Post
            question............. will alcohol throw me out of ketosis?
            Okay, I know the breath stink thing isn't 100%. The other day I had about as non-primal a day as one can have. Health wise if not off food-wise. Basically all I had to eat and drink all day was a generous amount of vodka, and about a cup of cooked white rice. I put about a tablespoon of butter on the rice. I woke up the next AM, went potty, came back into my bedroom, and the room smelled like keto breath. To say I was surprised is an understatement.

            Can ketosis occur just because calories are low?
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

            B*tch-lite

            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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            • Originally posted by mks8500 View Post
              What tests? :-)

              My HSIS is between 91 and 100kg. I know this seems high, but I remember myself just a few lbs skinnier than that and it wasn't pretty. I workout 5 days a week alternating between swimming, cycling and running. On days that I run I throw in a few sets of push ups, med ball exercises or something involving a kettle bell.

              So Pebbles, mine would be 91kg x .8 = 72.8 or 100kg x .8 = 80, right? Many of my days were below 80 (many of them weren't too). I think I'll aim for the lower number of 70-72 ish this week.

              I hope I'm not sounding combative or argumentative. I'm writing/talking through this as I go. I really do appreciate the input.

              ME
              We have lots of different heights here, and largely female, so your numbers will clearly run pretty high. (100kg = 220 pounds) It looks like a starting point would be (using the higher numbers):

              80-100g protein -- 400 kcal
              40-50g carb -- 200 kcal
              160-200g fat -- 1800 kcal
              total for the day -- 2400 kcal

              I see you said 5'11'' - 6' tall. How muscular?
              Last edited by Annlee; 02-25-2013, 09:31 PM.

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              • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post

                Can ketosis occur just because calories are low?
                Absolutely, cuz when I did the potato hack and was ending up with 500 calorie
                days, but still doing my usual exercise, the sticks turned purple.

                However, the alcohol is very dehydrating, so it coulda just been booze fumes
                in your case. HAR!

                Julie

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                • Lower protein experiment Day 3

                  Macros...Binge!

                  Wt 229.8 +3.2
                  FBS 112
                  Ketostix - Negative

                  So, looking at this scientifically, 1) I was on day 5, on the brink of going into deep ketosis. I was really hungry yesterday. I ate all my primal calories by noon. I have to figure out how to get past this hump. I have successfully done it before.
                  2) Sundays are dangerous for me. I have binged the last three. Yesterday, I began to dwell on the difficulties of the upcoming week. So the emotional stuff coupled with my body screaming for something was too much for me.
                  Last edited by Pebbles67; 02-25-2013, 04:08 AM.
                  Primal since 9/24/2010
                  "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                  • I am having trouble as well. Not sure why, but the switch to lower protein has set off afternoon cravings. The odd thing is that breakfast is essentially the same as before, as well as lunch, it is just that I have less protein for dinner, which should not effect my afternoon. Unless it is about the idea of feeling deprived? I dunno.

                    For now, I am not going to worry about it. I am going to continue to keep the carbs low and go back to trying to keep each meal with less than 25g of protein instead of 20g. Hopefully that will take care of things.

                    p.s. I googled "blood ketone monitor" and decided to go with this site Nova Max Ketone Strips With FREE Glucose & Ketone Meter Kit | Glucose Meter I am sure you can get them at any drugstore, just make sure you get one that tests blood ketones and the sticks that will do the same.
                    Chris
                    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                    • Well, then add me to the crowd that has a little trouble. Weekends are a "treat" day for me. One of those is a Sunday walk with a Starbuck's coffee. I usually get a "skinny" with soy milk...totally not primal, but at least not too carby. Yesterday I tried a soy mocha. The good news is that I found that I really wasn't enjoying it, so did throw it out as soon as I found a garbage can, but the bad news is that I probably drank at least half of it. That put my carb count up around 90 grams (total for the day) yesterday. That caused some water weight gain today and seemed to wake up my hunger a bit--I was just getting the appetite suppression thing. {{Sigh}} Lesson learned.

                      Another area of trouble is that I need to do a better job of planning things out. Today I'll be a little high on protein...not sure how to remedy it now that I'm at work, but I can do better tomorrow. My calories will also be high today. {{Sigh}}

                      I refigured my numbers on my goal weight of 140:

                      (Rounding)
                      32 g carbs (for 128 cal)
                      64 g protein (for 256 cal)
                      127 g fat (for 1,143 cal)

                      That's a total of 1,527 calories. I'm eating way more than that. Last week I was at around 1,700 calories. Today will be more like 1,900 calories, so I'm way overeating, and most of that is protein.

                      If I eat everything I've brought for lunch, and try to salvage my macronutrients at dinner, my day should look like this:

                      96 g protein
                      22 g carbs
                      158 g fat

                      for 1,924 calories
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                      Donna

                      My current diary: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread100765.html
                      My original diary: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread77760.html



                      Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Calorie Counter

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                      • ah, we do the best we can, learn from our "mistakes" and don't dwell or allow guilt...it is a journey.

                        Tomorrow is another day (there is a song about this, can't remember the rest of it, but when I type that the line is sung in my head-"I'm not gonna let it get me down, no not gonna let is get me, cause tomorrow's another day, and I am thirsty anyway, so bring on the rain"
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                        Unknown

                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • Originally posted by Annlee View Post
                          Have read the link (thanks Annlee) but still can't find the results - He seems to do an intro, get us on tenderhooks then say 'come again next week', very frustrating (or am I missing something?)

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                          • This should be easy for me, lol. I have gastroparesis which is a natural appetite suppressor, so with that and all the fat, I should NOT be hungry.
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                            Donna

                            My current diary: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread100765.html
                            My original diary: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread77760.html



                            Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Calorie Counter

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                            • Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
                              Lower protein experiment Day 3

                              Macros...Binge!

                              I have to figure out how to get past this hump..
                              Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                              I am having trouble as well..
                              Originally posted by 252dlp View Post
                              Well, then add me to the crowd that has a little trouble.

                              You can add me to the list. Since doing that Fat Fast fat has become my friend, Carbs I have no interest in & the thought of a chunk of meat turns my stomach

                              I have been over eating in the evening on fat nearly all week & because I am starting my 12 week n=1 today, yesterday became one of those ‘I’m going on a diet tomorrow so I’ll eat everything now’ Kind of days. I must have eaten triple my normal cals easily. The stupid thing is that although my planned cals are low, I’m not raiding the kitchen because I am hungry, that I would understand. This is just mindless eating to the macro

                              So with my new n=1 I am not treating it as a WOE, I am treating it as a DIET (something which I said I would never do again) to get me into the mindset. day gone & I’m on track, only another 83 days to go

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                              • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                                I have been over eating in the evening on fat nearly all week & because I am starting my 12 week n=1 today, yesterday became one of those ‘I’m going on a diet tomorrow so I’ll eat everything now’ Kind of days. I must have eaten triple my normal cals easily. The stupid thing is that although my planned cals are low, I’m not raiding the kitchen because I am hungry, that I would understand. This is just mindless eating to the macro.
                                Your unconscious mind knows whether you have reached your nutritional requirements or whether you are so far behind it should set you on a mission to BINGE NOW! What your conscious mind is thinking becomes irrelevant in the process.

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