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  • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
    w0rd!!

    I so want a DEXA scan!! (Because I don't like "estimation"... I like hard proven facts!)
    My husband joined a research study (I can't remember what for, but it was through his Wellness Center) and he got a free DEXA scan as part of the data they needed. If you have a University in your area you might check and see what kinds of studies they are conducting. The only other thing I know he had to do was a 20 page food survey, which I ended up filling out because he doesn't really know what I put in most of his food. It probably had to do with some sort of work out regime but he works out every day anyway so I didn't see any change there.
    Chris
    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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    My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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    • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
      why is it that when i do multiple quotes in a post, having saved the post the multiple quotes are still ticked. This is p***** me off as I have to go back and find them all and cancel the ticks. There must be an easier way!

      (sorry vent over but if anyone has the answer i would love to know)
      Idk why this is happening for you. I've never had that problem.



      Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
      Ok when I first posted earlier I estimated my neck measurement & it was too small

      so using the navy calculator (with correct measurements) my BF% is 31.66
      using the army calculator that jenn has provided my BF% is 31.49

      my body fat monitor (which pretty much matches the BF% machine at the local gym) shows 40.3%

      All great fun but I wish I hadn't started this now cause I now want a DEX scan (the cost of 3mths worth of blood ketone strips pales into insignificance at this point) wheras before I was happy just to see the number going down

      If you just pick one method and stick with it, you'll see a downward trend. The actual number doesn't matter too much as long as you can focus on the trend.
      Primal since March 5, 2012
      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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      • Originally posted by pamola10 View Post
        Hi, Pebbles67.


        There was an article on NPR recently about how a calorie isn't just a calorie: Calorie Counts: Fatally Flawed, Or Our Best Defense Against Pudge? : The Salt : NPR

        Apparently there are many factors beyond protein, fat, or carb that influence the actually calories available to the body. I guess we all probably knew intuitively but now science is catching up.
        I loved the video on this link - another reason to eat primal

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        • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
          If you just pick one method and stick with it, you'll see a downward trend. The actual number doesn't matter too much as long as you can focus on the trend.
          31 sounds so must better than 40 don't you think?

          I'm going to do all 3 out to interested when I measure once a month & use the monitor when I weigh weekly. Hopefully the difference will be similar on both.

          Thanks for the spreadsheet by the way. I had to laugh though that they had to translate 1/4 = 0.25 etc

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          • Hello, to all!

            I'm new to the forum but LCHF is the norm for me!!! I've been following a ketogenic diet for a few years, sometimes a bit loosely and sometimes feeling the need to be very aggressive for a while, now being one of those times.

            I started reading through this thread and was excited to see others with the same frame of mind. I struggle with the lifestyle, mostly due to others and their ugly words about how bad it is for me, so I generally have to keep to myself about it. Just an hour ago, I was in the break room at work filling up my coffee and one of the gals mentioned how yummy it looked and it must be unhealthy. (I drink my coffee and tea in large Mason jar type glass, with heavy cream) I mentioned that it's not, but also that it depends on what your idea of healthy is and we chatted about it a little bit. I could tell she didn't agree with me, but it wasn't an ugly situation. She did say as long as my tests were all good, that's what mattered and I agreed with her!

            Anywho.... I'm excited to have found this blog/forum and hope to be able to join in the camaraderie!

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            • I just tend to tell anyone who asks that all my carbs come from veggies. And the truth of the matter is that even low carb I eat more veggies than most people I know. They can't argue with that!
              Chris
              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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              • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                your experiment sounds interesting. Can I ask what your protein grams & fat % was when your levels went back up. These numbers seem to be the key
                My best guess for Monday's protein was 4 oz mixed nuts (10 g), 10 oz beef (60g), 1/2 avocado (3g), almond ferment (4g) ~ 77g. Maybe 75% total calories from fat.

                Tuesday protein: 8 oz beef (48g), 5 oz cream (9g), 3 oz chicken (15g), 1/2 avocado (3g) ~ 75g. Again ~ 75% fat calories.

                Wednesday protein: 9 oz beef (54g), 8 oz cream (13g), 4 oz salmon (20g), 1/2 avocado (3g), cheeses (5g) ~ 95g. This could have been even more. It will be interesting to see if my number goes down today after yesterdays clear jump in protein. I don't really measure anything as I go. I just eyeball it and write it down in a notebook. I'll let you know.

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                • Originally posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
                  31 sounds so must better than 40 don't you think?

                  I'm going to do all 3 out to interested when I measure once a month & use the monitor when I weigh weekly. Hopefully the difference will be similar on both.

                  Thanks for the spreadsheet by the way. I had to laugh though that they had to translate 1/4 = 0.25 etc
                  I laughed at that too, but it's common practice to spell things out in the Army. For a long time, they only required an 8th grade education to join.

                  *****

                  I am super interested in this Rise & Shine cocktail in the Fat Fast Cookbook...
                  Primal since March 5, 2012
                  SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                  • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                    I just tend to tell anyone who asks that all my carbs come from veggies. And the truth of the matter is that even low carb I eat more veggies than most people I know. They can't argue with that!
                    Most people seem to have more of a problem with the amount of fat I consume or the lack of amount of food that I eat. All of my food is measured and weighed. Although I have the entire 24oz can of macadamia nuts on my desk, I only eat 10ea for a serving (out of the 15+ times I weighed them, I never got more than 10 in an ounce, so I just stick with that count now) I think it's frustrating for some people to see someone be obsessive about what they eat.

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                    • Originally posted by TooSteep View Post
                      My best guess for Monday's protein was 4 oz mixed nuts (10 g), 10 oz beef (60g), 1/2 avocado (3g), almond ferment (4g) ~ 77g. Maybe 75% total calories from fat.

                      Tuesday protein: 8 oz beef (48g), 5 oz cream (9g), 3 oz chicken (15g), 1/2 avocado (3g) ~ 75g. Again ~ 75% fat calories.

                      Wednesday protein: 9 oz beef (54g), 8 oz cream (13g), 4 oz salmon (20g), 1/2 avocado (3g), cheeses (5g) ~ 95g. This could have been even more. It will be interesting to see if my number goes down today after yesterdays clear jump in protein. I don't really measure anything as I go. I just eyeball it and write it down in a notebook. I'll let you know.
                      Very interesting. If your number goes down after a jump in protein it will confirm what alot of us are all ready suspecting. It will be nice to see it confirmed by someone using a meter.

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                      • Originally posted by epicuriousbynature View Post
                        Most people seem to have more of a problem with the amount of fat I consume or the lack of amount of food that I eat. All of my food is measured and weighed. Although I have the entire 24oz can of macadamia nuts on my desk, I only eat 10ea for a serving (out of the 15+ times I weighed them, I never got more than 10 in an ounce, so I just stick with that count now) I think it's frustrating for some people to see someone be obsessive about what they eat.
                        I guess I just don't have that many people around me who are that into my business. My DD will say something sometimes, but she is thin and a vegetarian who eats a pretty good range of real foods (very few beans no tofu or soy) and is very healthy (except for the vegetarian part), and I know she wants what she thinks is best so I let her go. She knows if she bugs me too much I will get on her about sleep and protein.
                        Chris
                        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
                        Unknown

                        My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                        • Originally posted by epicuriousbynature View Post
                          Most people seem to have more of a problem with the amount of fat I consume or the lack of amount of food that I eat. All of my food is measured and weighed. Although I have the entire 24oz can of macadamia nuts on my desk, I only eat 10ea for a serving (out of the 15+ times I weighed them, I never got more than 10 in an ounce, so I just stick with that count now) I think it's frustrating for some people to see someone be obsessive about what they eat.
                          I think it makes them feel guilty that they're NOT as obsessive about what they eat.
                          Primal since March 5, 2012
                          SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                          • The only thing I'm not really excited about in The Fat Fast Cookbook is it's use of tofu noodles... no interest in the tofu noodles, so the mac & cheese, fettuccini alfredo, etc, are out for me, but the rest of the stuff looks interesting and I'd be willing to try it. Not feeling it was a waste of $4.99, so that's a good thing. Still have to read the literature though. I have only gone through the recipes.
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
                              The only thing I'm not really excited about in The Fat Fast Cookbook is it's use of tofu noodles... no interest in the tofu noodles, so the mac & cheese, fettuccini alfredo, etc, are out for me, but the rest of the stuff looks interesting and I'd be willing to try it. Not feeling it was a waste of $4.99, so that's a good thing. Still have to read the literature though. I have only gone through the recipes.
                              If you follow the contributors blogs, all of the literature is what you've read on their websites. I was a bit bummed with the recipes, since a lot of it was really stuff I've already been making, the mac & cheese, stuffed mushrooms, coffee/tea w/heavy cream and such. I use to love the noodles, I've been eating them for about 2 years and making everything I would have normally made with regular pasta with the noodles and did great. The bite they have (somewhat of a rubbery aldente texture) was a bit odd at first, but I got use to it. But a few weeks ago, I was making a tuna casserole, and it just sort of turned my stomach when I was rinsing and cooking the noodles. It was weird, but now I'm turned off of them. I hope to eat them again, but I don't feel like I'm missing out on too much right now.

                              I like fatbombs... I have a can of macadamia nuts and portioned out pine nuts at arms reach all the time... I buy heavy cream by the half gallon and 5 dozen eggs at a time at Costco. I make GRAVY like crazy for small portions of meat... a tuna casserole type mix that doesn't include the noddles but I get the exactl flavor and all sorts of crazyness!

                              The recipes and info in there is good for sure, I would say more so for anyone not use to LCHF eating or the Fat Fast. I go through phases of needing variety and phases of being perfectly fine eating a serving of macadamia nuts for a few meals and coffee/tea with cream. Also... since I live in two cities, I am only feeding myself throughout the week, so I know this is an advantage I have, I don't have to feed a family full time. That can be particularly stressful for some.

                              I'm currently on day 2 of FF, I'm going to do a FF for 3-4 each week for the next few weeks and do the normal LCHF the other days and see what happens. It's my only little experiment.

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                              • Originally posted by epicuriousbynature View Post
                                ... it depends on what your idea of healthy is ...
                                I used this same line during The Great Bacon Grease Episode of 2012. (Our Girl Scout troop cooked up 3 pounds of bacon, and I begged for the grease to take home. One lady was surprised, because she thought I ate 'so healthy'. Probably because I mention vegetables! And cooking from scratch.) Now we get a good chuckle out of our different 'healthy' styles. While both of us, I am certain, are inwardly grimacing at the other's food.

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