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  • Originally posted by otzi View Post
    Mark Sisson's wife and daughter, I believe, are vegetarians. I think one could pull it off, but can't see me doing it.
    Mark's daughter is omnivore. His wife was raised vegetarian and now eats seafood a few times a week, and uses their protein powder. His son is a 100% lifelong lacto ovum veg.
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    • whitebear,

      I am by no means trolling but your comment seems a little near sighted and un-educated. There have been numerous studies indicating just how bad animal fats and proteins are for the human body. Read or watch forks over knives. I was paleo for 2 years before it became mainstream. I am a competitive marathoner, weightlifter and soccer player. My performance was severely lacking and I started researching different diets. If you look into it deeper, the paleo diet is probably one of the most harmful diets known to man with todays food sources. It makes the body so acidic that it causes cancer and other inevitable chronic diseases that we simply write off due to "age." I've been strict vegan for 5 years and just completed a marathon in 2:45 minutes as well as deadlifted 3x my body weight in a local competition. I have boundless energy for days. I still follow some paleo principles, but the meat today will eventually eat away at your health and it "WILL FAIL." It is a proven fact according to a 30 year research on the topic (the china study). I respect your views and your diet, but before you post something so un-educated do a little research.

      Best,
      Brian

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      • Originally posted by brianabbs View Post
        whitebear,

        I am by no means trolling but your comment seems a little near sighted and un-educated. There have been numerous studies indicating just how bad animal fats and proteins are for the human body. Read or watch forks over knives. I was paleo for 2 years before it became mainstream. I am a competitive marathoner, weightlifter and soccer player. My performance was severely lacking and I started researching different diets. If you look into it deeper, the paleo diet is probably one of the most harmful diets known to man with todays food sources. It makes the body so acidic that it causes cancer and other inevitable chronic diseases that we simply write off due to "age." I've been strict vegan for 5 years and just completed a marathon in 2:45 minutes as well as deadlifted 3x my body weight in a local competition. I have boundless energy for days. I still follow some paleo principles, but the meat today will eventually eat away at your health and it "WILL FAIL." It is a proven fact according to a 30 year research on the topic (the china study). I respect your views and your diet, but before you post something so un-educated do a little research.

        Best,
        Brian
        You joined, just to post this. Troll found.

        You also joined, to post the weakest possible argument, The China Study.

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        • Originally posted by brianabbs View Post
          whitebear,

          I am by no means trolling but your comment seems a little near sighted and un-educated. There have been numerous studies indicating just how bad animal fats and proteins are for the human body. Read or watch forks over knives. I was paleo for 2 years before it became mainstream. I am a competitive marathoner, weightlifter and soccer player. My performance was severely lacking and I started researching different diets. If you look into it deeper, the paleo diet is probably one of the most harmful diets known to man with todays food sources. It makes the body so acidic that it causes cancer and other inevitable chronic diseases that we simply write off due to "age." I've been strict vegan for 5 years and just completed a marathon in 2:45 minutes as well as deadlifted 3x my body weight in a local competition. I have boundless energy for days. I still follow some paleo principles, but the meat today will eventually eat away at your health and it "WILL FAIL." It is a proven fact according to a 30 year research on the topic (the china study). I respect your views and your diet, but before you post something so un-educated do a little research.

          Best,
          Brian
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          • Originally posted by brianabbs View Post
            whitebear,

            I am by no means trolling but your comment seems a little near sighted and un-educated. There have been numerous studies indicating just how bad animal fats and proteins are for the human body. Read or watch forks over knives. I was paleo for 2 years before it became mainstream. I am a competitive marathoner, weightlifter and soccer player. My performance was severely lacking and I started researching different diets. If you look into it deeper, the paleo diet is probably one of the most harmful diets known to man with todays food sources. It makes the body so acidic that it causes cancer and other inevitable chronic diseases that we simply write off due to "age." I've been strict vegan for 5 years and just completed a marathon in 2:45 minutes as well as deadlifted 3x my body weight in a local competition. I have boundless energy for days. I still follow some paleo principles, but the meat today will eventually eat away at your health and it "WILL FAIL." It is a proven fact according to a 30 year research on the topic (the china study). I respect your views and your diet, but before you post something so un-educated do a little research.

            Best,
            Brian
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            • Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
              The "modern world" is based on mass cruelty and suffering. Animals are regarded as lesser beings, their suffering as just "part of the food chain," a step in between alive and on our plates that we choose conveniently not to think about. I'm not saying I'll never eat an animal product again--perhaps if one day I'm living on the savannah and starving, I'll chase down a wild boar and nourish my tired muscles with its flesh.
              I certainly think you should follow your heart and do what you think is best. It doesn't affect me in any way (unless you start lobbying or other activism, in which case I'll be mildly annoyed, haha), so good for you!

              I do see this argument a lot from vegan friends and around the interwebs, and I just don't see it the same way. The only difference between humans and animals is that we have the capacity for abstract intelligent thought. The same sort of abstract thought that creates differing opinions in people who were raised in identical environments with the same variables (for the most part) influencing their development. For me, that doesn't change the fact that there is no difference between me eating beef and a lion chasing down a gazelle for a meal. Is the mode of acquisition different? Sure. Humans have a much more complex societal structure, and with that comes an extreme division of labor. I don't buy meat (and produce, to the extent that I can) that I can't source, because I have the same qualms as you about the industrial food system. I want the [cow/pig/chicken] that is providing my meal to have been raised as naturally as possible and to have died as humanely as possible. However, the death of that animal really is a part of the larger cycle of life. I feel as sorry for the cow as a bear would feel sorry for me if I ended up its meal.

              I think that the capacity for unique compassion towards animals is simply expressed differently in our views. I certainly don't want them to suffer needlessly in order for me to eat, but I doubt that will ever lead me to never consume my preferred diet because a parallel system of production, of which I don't take part, is creating that suffering for other animals.

              (By the way, it took a lot of restraint not to talk about the chickenness of a chicken and the cowness of a cow in all that... Gets me every time.)
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              • Originally posted by Scarlet View Post
                As a witness to Tibetan Buddhism practitioners, I find this A HUGE HYPOCRICY from Dalai Lama and Lamas. They want thier practitioners to be vegetarians because they are killing lives of animals which CREATES KARMA. The practitioners are not even allowed to pay meat items or menus woth meat even for thier love ones. And they, the Lamas (teachers) eat meat. He just use alibis and philosophic arguments to make himself
                good in front of the public's eye but i don't think his actions justifies his "enlightend" philosophy. Being a Vegetarian, He could
                get enough neutrients with meat equivalent. I would say it is just his alibi and for his own comfort. Most of his actions defy his own teachings. I do not believe this man.
                Certain Buddhist spiritual leaders in Tibet will insist their disciples eat vegetarian, but not all of them. And His Holiness the Dalai Lama isn't himself being a hypocrite, because while he says that vegetarianism can be a good practice he never insists that anyone adopt it. Especially if their health is at risk. It seems that it's usually the Mahayana traditions that push vegetarianism.
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                • I am onboard with nameless wonder.....

                  I have a simple, simple rule: If someone ever tells you that you need to watch a documentary to better understand something, that person does not know what they are talking about. This is simply parroting information without an actual knowledge base apparent to screen the validity of the information. In other words, it is blind acceptance, the fertile field of all propaganda.

                  The same rules apply for studies, another parroting tool for those only capable of regurgitating information spread to them by those percieved to have authority.....studies find all kinds of things, and one can find a handful of studies that will promote pretty much any idea you want. If scientists were in the business of determining if Elvis is dead, or is instead an elderly garbage collector in Flagstaff Arizona as an alternate hypothesis, plenty of quacks would start citing the "studies" that confirm the latter....studies and documentaries are, by their very nature, highly biased forms of information gathering. This is not news, nor is it controversial. The China Study is a complete piece of trash as far as scientific work. This is a consensus view at this point. The isolation of variables in it is terrible, and it is clear that the researchers had certain outcomes in mind when setting it up. In science this is referred to as "confirmation bias". It is the primary reason why other scientific hypotheses are rejected. It is one of the most damaging aspects to all poor scholarship, as the idea of a "double blind" experiment has been compromised.

                  The health implications of Forks Over Knives, with its idiotic and archaic view of cholesterol, no mention of inflammation (which many plant products are incredible at producing) have made it an insulting piece of trash science. I have literally done a minute by minute dissection of the fallacies of that movie, posted on here a few years ago when it came out.
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                  • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                    I am onboard with nameless wonder.....

                    I have a simple, simple rule: If someone ever tells you that you need to watch a documentary to better understand something, that person does not know what they are talking about. This is simply parroting information without an actual knowledge base apparent to screen the validity of the information. In other words, it is blind acceptance, the fertile field of all propaganda.

                    The same rules apply for studies, another parroting tool for those only capable of regurgitating information spread to them by those percieved to have authority.....studies find all kinds of things, and one can find a handful of studies that will promote pretty much any idea you want. If scientists were in the business of determining if Elvis is dead, or is instead an elderly garbage collector in Flagstaff Arizona as an alternate hypothesis, plenty of quacks would start citing the "studies" that confirm the latter....studies and documentaries are, by their very nature, highly biased forms of information gathering. This is not news, nor is it controversial. The China Study is a complete piece of trash as far as scientific work. This is a consensus view at this point. The isolation of variables in it is terrible, and it is clear that the researchers had certain outcomes in mind when setting it up. In science this is referred to as "confirmation bias". It is the primary reason why other scientific hypotheses are rejected. It is one of the most damaging aspects to all poor scholarship, as the idea of a "double blind" experiment has been compromised.

                    The health implications of Forks Over Knives, with its idiotic and archaic view of cholesterol, no mention of inflammation (which many plant products are incredible at producing) have made it an insulting piece of trash science. I have literally done a minute by minute dissection of the fallacies of that movie, posted on here a few years ago when it came out.
                    Well-put (and not just because you agreed with me )
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                    • There are no human animals in the wild that eat a vegan diet. These animals only adopt such diets when they are caged and forced to watch forks over knives in a fat and protein deprived state until all logical cognition is lost.

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                      • I thought the subject said "vagina-ism". I feel tricked.

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                        • Veganism nearly killed me. I still retain the utmost respect for the animals and their byproducts I now consume and try to get humanely raised, sustainably raised animals as often as possible, I revere them and their sacrifice for my nourishment . But I refuse to go back to my deathbed, deficient in vitamin a, d, k, proline, glycine, glutamine, selenium, phosphorous, zinc, and magnesium, sending my Crohn's disease into such a bad flare that my intestines seized up and I shit blood, and shut off my endocrine system. I am not a herbivore, a fact that becomes very evident very quickly with a compromised digestive system.

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                          • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            There are no human animals in the wild that eat a vegan diet. These animals only adopt such diets when they are caged and forced to watch forks over knives in a fat and protein deprived state until all logical cognition is lost.
                            It's interesting to note that in many different ways, ethical living (and the evolution of ethical thought) has come about as a result of prior human progress (convenience).

                            Vegetarianism is a very interesting concept, because it is wholly human in that it requires our unique abilities of higher thinking, and it brings many of us to the decision that we should be mindful of other animals in ways they're generally unable to experience or exemplify themselves.

                            A lot of paleo enthusiasts like to talk about how we should work to emulate paleolithic man (duh) and I think we'll push for more natural ways of living in some ways as we continue to progress, but I'm happy to live in a time and place where I don't have to kill other people to survive. Also it's great to live not only in an era where written language exists, but where literacy is widespread and not limited to the rich and powerful. Veganism might not be a concept that "wild humans" generally express, but neither is feminism or modern ethical thought in general.
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                            • Originally posted by Nellodee View Post
                              It's interesting to note that in many different ways, ethical living (and the evolution of ethical thought) has come about as a result of prior human progress (convenience).

                              Vegetarianism is a very interesting concept, because it is wholly human in that it requires our unique abilities of higher thinking, and it brings many of us to the decision that we should be mindful of other animals in ways they're generally unable to experience or exemplify themselves.

                              A lot of paleo enthusiasts like to talk about how we should work to emulate paleolithic man (duh) and I think we'll push for more natural ways of living in some ways as we continue to progress, but I'm happy to live in a time and place where I don't have to kill other people to survive. Also it's great to live not only in an era where written language exists, but where literacy is widespread and not limited to the rich and powerful. Veganism might not be a concept that "wild humans" generally express, but neither is feminism or modern ethical thought in general.
                              The biggest lie ever told has been to convince us that humans are not animals. That is what gets in peoples way when evaluating optimal circumstances for human health. And you actually may not live in a time where people must kill other people to survive, but you certainly live in a time where people kill each other for much less virtuous reasons IMO than that of scarcity. Also I think you overestimate how often such violent acts took place. We are far more violent now in all our wisdom and with far less reason (political gain, religion, money...).
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                              • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                The biggest lie ever told has been to convince us that humans are not animals. That is what gets in peoples way when evaluating optimal circumstances for human health. And you actually may not live in a time where people must kill other people to survive, but you certainly live in a time where people kill each other for much less virtuous reasons IMO than that of scarcity. Also I think you overestimate how often such violent acts took place. We are far more violent now in all our wisdom and with far less reason (political gain, religion, money...).
                                I agree that human beings are animals, and while we're certainly not any "better" than other animals, in our subjective and incomplete experiences of the world we do seem inclined to erroneously attribute greater worth to human lives than others. But we can totally be conscious of the suffering and death we bring upon other animals, and work to limit it within our means.

                                And yes, we're fighting wars and we are all benefiting from it. I'm still happy to not partake myself and harm my soul in such a direct way.

                                EDIT: Also, I'd like to say that our capacity for higher thinking allows us to attempt to understand the objective world (or the subjective worlds of others). Many people find that compassionate thought leads them to the conclusion that "what is best for me may not be what is best for all."

                                Individual health is a wonderful thing to be sure, and it likely allows many people to lead better lives that involve improving the world for others, but if the cost of that health is a greater amount of death than it otherwise would be, some people feel the ends may not be worth the means.
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