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  • I had a weird thought I feel like contributing to this thread. I actually like plants more than I like animals. Prettier, not so dangerous or annoying and all that. I eat plants though without feeling any moral dilemma. Weird, right?
    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
    When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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    • Originally posted by Leida View Post
      I had a weird thought I feel like contributing to this thread. I actually like plants more than I like animals. Prettier, not so dangerous or annoying and all that. I eat plants though without feeling any moral dilemma. Weird, right?
      Plants can be good company. They just sit there quietly and soak up the sun, and they are pretty and often smell good. But, I need to have another heart like mine beating in the house, so I brought in some cats and gave them dominion over my home.

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      • Good troll OP 8/10.

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        • So if humans are superior to animals, are some humans superior to other humans? A "survival of the fittest" sort of thing? You all can afford to eat only high-quality animal products, but not everyone can. How does that make you feel? (an honest question meant to facilitate contemplation, not response, but go ahead call me overly moralistic and whatnot)

          When I ate a lot of expensive, organic animal products, I felt like I should hang my head in shame when I left the house. It wasn't a good feeling, and it stemmed from an emotional place, not a physical one.

          The whole point of primal living, to me, is adapting. It's not about trying to recreate Grok's life. It's about adapting to life in the modern world. I read a book called The Mood Cure with one chapter that asked, "Are you too sensitive to life's pain?" That question resonated with me. I wouldn't say I'm too sensitive to the world's pain, but I wouldn't be who I am if I wasn't really, really freakin' sensitive. I am a weak, modern human. I cry at sad movies (Grok would never!). I didn't like being in the world like, "oh, I know the secret to feeling good, but I won't tell you because everyone can't know about it or else the price of my precious bacon would skyrocket..."

          The meat industry's footprint is everywhere. Your cow is grass-fed, but what about his mom? Your pig ate "organic" but did he ever get to move? Modern diseases are both fascinating and terrifying. I don't think anyone can claim to understand them. But the evidence of the dangers of too much protein is, IMO, more compelling than a bunch of people chanting "you need meat" as if they're reviving some indoctrination from elementary school.

          I'm not convinced that I'll suffer as an herbivore--but I did note one commenter's observation that I seem to have obsessive tendencies. Right on the mark. But I've made a life out of chasing down the next great thing, and so far I've found some pretty nice things--sometimes not the thing I was chasing, but an accident I happened upon along the way. So yeah, it's not like I'm saying, "now that I've found one way of doing things, I'm closing my mind to any other ways"--but for now, this is a totally instinctual decision. At this moment I don't feel inclined to eat meat/eggs. Dairy has always been disgusting.

          That's all I've got for now. Keep the good discussions going!

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          • You should kill yourself just to be on the safe side.

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            • Puh-lease... you want to talk about foot prints... how about Big-Agra's foot prints in waste, emissions, poisons, animal deaths(combines, chemicals, etc.), market controls...

              Nobody, including the vegans, no matter how much they want to wish otherwise... is getting off scott free.

              And dairy wasn't so disgusting when you were an infant was it?
              The fact that adults find dairy disgusting is the product of ridiculous moralizing, not logic.
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
                So if humans are superior to animals, are some humans superior to other humans?

                Either define superior in absolute objective terms or forget even going this route. There is no superiority is the default truth.

                You all can afford to eat only high-quality animal products, but not everyone can. How does that make you feel?

                Grateful that I can, but I'm not swimming in my money pit with Scrooge McDuck .....we all got priorities.

                When I ate a lot of expensive, organic animal products, I felt like I should hang my head in shame when I left the house. It wasn't a good feeling, and it stemmed from an emotional place, not a physical one.

                Yeah, you got some self esteem and general self hate going on perhaps because you don't think you deserve the things you have.

                My answers to your questions in bold. The rest of your stuff is pretty silly and I think the folly of those statements have been thoroughly addressed.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 01-28-2013, 05:06 PM.

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                • "Deserve"...what an interesting word...

                  As to Cori, when I was an infant, I drank breastmilk, not cow's milk. As a kid, my mom made me drink cow's milk and yes, it was disgusting. I don't feel like I'm contributing to Big Agra all that much. I don't eat corn, soy, wheat, sugar... I would agree that no one gets off scott-free when it comes to causing suffering, but that doesn't lead me to "why even try to reduce my impact?"

                  If anything, the fact that some adults don't at all question drinking another species' milk is the product of good brainwashing by the National Dairy Council. Got Milk?

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                  • Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
                    "Deserve"...what an interesting word...

                    As to Cori, when I was an infant, I drank breastmilk, not cow's milk. As a kid, my mom made me drink cow's milk and yes, it was disgusting. I don't feel like I'm contributing to Big Agra all that much. I don't eat corn, soy, wheat, sugar... I would agree that no one gets off scott-free when it comes to causing suffering, but that doesn't lead me to "why even try to reduce my impact?"
                    Do your thing then. I don't see what your arguing? You can obviously see that veganism causes either directly or indirectly as much harm as not being vegan. If you wanna really ease your mind then only eat what you can sow and harvest for yourself....including animals. Thats right, become self sufficient and earn that bacon fo realz

                    I can ever recommend some good books on off the grid living. Nobody is making you live the life your in.

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                    • Resources aren't endless, they still have to be shifted to accommodate you. You're putting someone else out regardless of how you try to rationalize it. It's just how this fucked up world goes.
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                      • Plants can be good company. They just sit there quietly and soak up the sun, and they are pretty and often smell good. But, I need to have another heart like mine beating in the house, so I brought in some cats and gave them dominion over my home.
                        Heh, have a hubby and a kiddo... that's seem to be enough animal life for our plot of suburban land.

                        Nah, humans are not superior to animals, we are animals, and animals that eat other animals and plants, just like other animals. Worms will eat us in the end.

                        I feel proud that I buy produce from the local farmers who raise animals in the traditional way, not ashamed. If they are not supported, big commercial lots win. I also donate money to help those who can't afford food, and drop an item or two - good quality item - into the food bank basket almost every time I shop. I love dairy. All food comes from other species, unless you engage into cannibalism. Eat beans and rice once in a while as well. Grow my own beans an peas in fact... and other eadibles.
                        My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                        When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                        • Dairy is scary... Cow's milk is so different in composition than human milk... It's to make baby calves grow HUGE, FAST. Human milk is 40:60 casein to whey ratio, cow's milk 80:20... read up on casein, it might scare you...

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                          • So drink goats milk. It's much closer to human milk.
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                            • Why drink any milk?

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                              • So if humans are superior to animals, are some humans superior to other humans?
                                No offense, but you're kind of acting as if you think veganism is superior to omnivorism, which would mean you were superior to meat eaters.
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                                As a note, throughout this thread, I've used the word superior when referencing humans' place to animals. In general, I (and I can only speak for myself) am using that in a brain capacity way. For eg., there are probably no lions and gazelles right now disputing the meaning of superior. If that lion catches and eats the gazelle, game, set, match - the lion wins. If the gazelle gets away that day, it lives to forage for plants, procreate, and one day become food for a predator (though I suppose some must die of old age, at which point they'd be eaten by scavengers).

                                I also think we're superior to other primates. But I'd never eat one (unless literally starving) because it has been demonstrated to me (not told to me by one guru) that some apes have the cognitive ability, based on how we currently measure it, of a five year old. And of course I wouldn't eat a five year old.

                                If you (generic you, not any one person here) look to nature as your guide (ignoring of course what our teeth tell us we naturally eat), you'll find (for eg.) that animals with hooves feed predators. We are predators. We are intellectually superior. If not, then the next time you need dental work, go ask a cow to do it.
                                "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                                Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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