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  • #16
    There is no reason to go around harping on something like low carb. If its so bad, people will naturally quit it. Or if its so good people get healed they will also eventually quit it. And a few will like it so well/ be so physically messed up they stay in it by choice. It's a self balancing phenomenon! Some people are in a situation where sugars flat out injures them and your "eat Moar sugar!" Advice is as destructive as telling someone with a broken leg to run five miles on it every day. When your body is broken there are some things it cannot do! When I ate Moar sugar I was in pain all over and 36 lbs heavier and just about toget so bad I wasn't going to be able to work. That's what sugar was doing for me. Now I can run for miles and work my butt off as needed. I'm wearing pants I last word when I was 13 friggen years old! For the first time since I was a child I feel normal. Thank God I know better than to eat more freaken sugar.
    Last edited by AshleyL; 01-21-2013, 06:31 PM.

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    • #17
      Hey look, a bunch of keto-nazis pushing low carb on someone who obviously doesnt need it!

      OP, yes you certainly will need carbs to fuel that much exercise. If you are that close to your goal weight i see no reason whatsoever to replace carbs with "healthy" fats. Those fats you mentioned are basically empty calories. Instead you could eat some fruit or potatoes that are not only nutrient dense but will keep you from wrecking your health by going low carb. Eat eggs, some meat, some dairy and you will get all the fat you need along with plenty of nutrients.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
        There is no reason to go around harping on something like low carb. If its so bad, people will naturally quit it. Or if its so good people get healed they will also eventually quit it. And a few will like it so well/ be so physically messed up they stay in it by choice. It's a self balancing phenomenon! Some people are in a situation where sugars flat out injures them and your "eat Moar sugar!" Advice is as destructive as telling someone with a broken leg to run five miles on it every day.
        I wish I could like posts on here.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zach View Post
          Hey look, a bunch of keto-nazis pushing low carb on someone who obviously doesnt need it!

          OP, yes you certainly will need carbs to fuel that much exercise. If you are that close to your goal weight i see no reason whatsoever to replace carbs with "healthy" fats. Those fats you mentioned are basically empty calories. Instead you could eat some fruit or potatoes that are not only nutrient dense but will keep you from wrecking your health by going low carb. Eat eggs, some meat, some dairy and you will get all the fat you need along with plenty of nutrients.
          No-one is pushing anything on to the OP.
          She came on here asking for help with being LC, this is the help we have given her.
          She may still be adjusting, or she may need to have more carbs, but she will know unless she has a chance to try ya know.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
            No-one is pushing anything on to the OP.
            She came on here asking for help with being LC, this is the help we have given her.
            She may still be adjusting, or she may need to have more carbs, but she will know unless she has a chance to try ya know.
            Right because five people didnt attack me as soon as i even questioned why she was LC. Also not a single person has said that maybe she should keep her carbs higher even after she posted that she exercises six days a week which to me, that is just crazy. All you ladies want is another one to join your flock.

            There is no reason that someone at a healthy weight and able to exercise that much should drop her carb intake when its already at a resonable PRIMAL level of 150. This is the primal forum, not the livin lavida low carb forum.

            Ketosis is a catabolic and stressful state, simple as that. Carbs keep stress hormones low and keep the thyroid healthy, not to mention the bodies first choice in fuel especially for anaerobic exercise and heavy weight training.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zach View Post
              Hey look, a bunch of keto-nazis pushing low carb on someone who obviously doesnt need it!
              I think Chaco has the copyright on the term "keto-nazi" from earlier today. Zach, if you are going to be a twerp, at least be an original one.

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              • #22
                Watch in an argument who is giving actual reasoning and who is trying to just discredit the person instead of the info.

                Fats are not empty calories, they contain fat soluble vitamins for one. Fats are essential nutrients and building blocks, like protein. Carbs are not (except in extremely minimal amounts even found in "NO carb" foods.

                Your other information assumes a properly functioning sugar metabolism when so many people are insulin resistant!

                I don't know if the op will be benefited by low carb, but it sure wont hurt her at all. I can tell when my stress hormones are high, they are not high on low carb, I had more symptoms of high stress eating higher carbs, because my body was broken and unable to cope with them.

                How about you explain how a horse living on pasture gets insulin resistant and how we can help him? Because the sugar in the grass sure isnt fixing him. He'll founder on it eventually.
                Last edited by AshleyL; 01-21-2013, 07:29 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                  That's about as silly as saying my diesel truck needs gas to get down the road.

                  You can work out just fine in ketosis. Biggest thing that causes the sluggishness is electrolyte deficiencies caused by the changes the body is making. Typically the increased electrolyte need is temporary. So yes, bullion. I also like avacado with salt. Trick is to eat it before you get low.
                  Thanks for the tips Ashley..I just so happen to love,avocados. I'll try eating one tomorrow,before I get low!
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                    Watch in an argument who is giving actual reasoning and who is trying to just discredit the person instead of the info.
                    If thats the case then you guys look like hysterical bible beaters.

                    Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                    Fats are not empty calories, they contain fat soluble vitamins for one. Fats are essential nutrients and building blocks, like protein. Carbs are not (except in extremely minimal amounts even found in "NO carb" foods.
                    Yes, oils are empty calories. Fats from meat and eggs are not, which i said already. You may need a minimal amount of EFA's (something like 1-2g a day). You certainly dont need hundreds of grams. Its also not either or, you can eat plenty of fat and get your fat soluble vitamins without restricting carb intake. Carbs also perform critical roles in the body, its not all about building blocks.

                    Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                    Your other information assumes a properly functioning sugar metabolism when so many people are insulin resistant!
                    People become insulin resistant from eating processed foods and trans/polyunsaturated fats. Not from fruits and tubers. There is plenty of evidence to show that a low carb diet CAUSES insulin resistance.


                    Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                    I don't know if the op will be benefited by low carb, but it sure wont hurt her at all. I can tell when my stress hormones are high, they are not high on low carb, I had more symptoms of high stress eating higher carbs, because my body was broken and unable to cope with them.
                    It certainly could harm her and it already is, by effecting her workouts.

                    Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                    How about you explain how a horse living on pasture gets insulin resistant and how we can help him? Because the sugar in the grass sure isnt fixing him. He'll founder on it eventually.
                    I have no idea what this means.

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                    • #25
                      The horse thing is about an animal eating natural food and developing insulin resistance for no apparent reason than he is not working hard enough and eating too much sugar (grass can contain a surprising amount of sugar).

                      People become insulin resistant from eating processed foods and trans/polyunsaturated fats. Not from fruits and tubers. There is plenty of evidence to show that a low carb diet CAUSES insulin resistance.
                      I agree in part with your first two sentences. However, just because I didn't break my leg running, doesn't mean running wouldn't hurt it now that its broken (hypothetically my legs are fine thanks!).

                      Low carb doesn't cause insulin resistance and I've never seen such evidence. I do think excessive omega 6's play a big role. As well as genetics, lack of exersize nutritional deficiencies and more carbs than needed or can be handled because of those other factors.

                      The horse never ate trams fats or processed foods. He just did t work enough and ate too much sugar. There is an epidemic of insulin resistance among horses just like humans.
                      Last edited by AshleyL; 01-21-2013, 08:00 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                        The horse thing is about an animal eating natural food and aquiring insulin resistance for apparent reason than he is not working hard enough and eating too much sugar (grass can contain a surprising amount of sugar).
                        .
                        wut

                        I have never heard of that happening before. Mind = Blown.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                          Watch in an argument who is giving actual reasoning and who is trying to just discredit the person instead of the info.

                          Fats are not empty calories, they contain fat soluble vitamins for one. Fats are essential nutrients and building blocks, like protein. Carbs are not (except in extremely minimal amounts even found in "NO carb" foods.

                          Your other information assumes a properly functioning sugar metabolism when so many people are insulin resistant!

                          I don't know if the op will be benefited by low carb, but it sure wont hurt her at all. I can tell when my stress hormones are high, they are not high on low carb, I had more symptoms of high stress eating higher carbs, because my body was broken and unable to cope with them.

                          How about you explain how a horse living on pasture gets insulin resistant and how we can help him? Because the sugar in the grass sure isnt fixing him. He'll founder on it eventually.
                          Info? Haven't seen any yet, just a bunch of anecdotes.

                          Free fatty acids, insulin r... [Proc Assoc Am Physicians. 1999 May-Jun] - PubMed - NCBI
                          Free fatty acids-the link between obesi... [Endocr Pract. 2001 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI
                          Free fatty acids and insulin ... [Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

                          Randle cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          Energy metabolism in trauma and sepsis: t... [Prog Clin Biol Res. 1983] - PubMed - NCBI

                          Cori cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          Right, I'm sure you've found a way to alter cellular metabolism and human biology as a whole so that your stress hormones aren't elevated when they're supposed to be. In fact, you're so zen like in tune with your body, you know exactly when your stress hormones are elevated.

                          How is anyone supposed to take this seriously? Come on.
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                          • #28
                            Ever tried adrenal failure? You feel it. And you get better painfully slow. And when you have a stressor, it knocks you back. And you feel it. When your reserves have been tapped out by years of insulin resistance, you feel stress quickly. You can't get up in the morning, you want to sleep in the middle of the day, you get sore easy etc.

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                            • #29
                              You mean like when you force your pituitary and adrenals to work full time when you have insufficient glycogen storage in the liver? Nope, afraid I don't know this feeling.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by AshleyL View Post
                                The horse never ate trams fats or processed foods. He just did t work enough and ate too much sugar. There is an epidemic of insulin resistance among horses just like humans.
                                Isn't another name for it laminitis? (they end up with something wrong in their hooves from being so over weight (I think, can't remember exactly)
                                growing up we often had to section off paddocks for horses getting too much grass, and getting very over weight.

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