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  • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
    I have seen others mention taking blood and sending it an independent lab. We do not have that facility here, that I was able to find. You must go to the Dr for a referral for a blood test.
    Are you not talking about blood tests? How can you test all those blood levels yourself?
    Oh, ok, nvm I got confused. I see what you're saying now.
    Make America Great Again

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    • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
      Probably the most noticeable symptoms will be mental. Depression, aggression, loss of libido, etc; Serotonin contributes to an increased state of stress hormone elevation, and with trytophan stimulation it crosses the blood brain barrier.
      No.
      Things like splotchy redness on face and chest, tightness in chest, palpitations, difficulty regulating body temperature, digestive pain and diarrhea, fatigue... etc.
      High serotonin levels (the type that shows up on tests) is not an indicative test for serotonin of the way we think of it as involves mental well being and the brain.
      And you'll likely be referred to an oncologist. It's an indicator for carcinoid cancer.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        I think the main ingredient missing is the lack of a good plastic surgeon. Carrie even admits to getting microdermabrasion or something like that. You can google search for that. I live amongst enough arm-candy ladies to know that if they're doing one thing like that they're probably doing another. Even my sister gets a lot of work done and she's just a minivan mom. That's So Cal, that's life in the 'bu.
        There is a lot of truth in this. It's not all or necessarily a plastic surgeon either. I mean, the skin care clinic that I'm looking at is a dermatologist. He does micro derm abrasion, botox, thread lifts, and the various laser treatments.

        I have a lot of little capillary breaks on my face, and I'm looking at getting that treated with the laser treatment. The dermatologist is also talking about scar removal (resurfacing) on my chest, but i'm not sure that's necessary for me. I'm also considering tattoo removal (same treatment as the capillaries). It's actually extremely affordable ($80/treatment with 1 treatment for capillaries, and 3-4 treatments for the tattoo).

        I know that it's a lot of money for some, but for me, saving up $320 is not that difficult for something that I want, and, it's once-and-done really.

        I do as much as I can naturally, and take good care of myself, but sometimes a little help goes a long way.

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        • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
          I have seen others mention taking blood and sending it an independent lab. We do not have that facility here, that I was able to find. You must go to the Dr for a referral for a blood test.
          Are you not talking about blood tests? How can you test all those blood levels yourself?
          No, I don't know where there is a lab patient center in Australia sorry
          Make America Great Again

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          • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
            Choco, are you reading any of my posts? Really?
            I spent a lot of time on low fat, brown rice, etc etc, lean meats, and I felt like crap ALL THE TIME. And I didn't always lose weight either. I have tried it all. OK
            Please do not tell me I have not tried. I have spent 13 years trying to fix my body, following all sorts of peoples advice.
            This way of life is the only way that has worked with losing any weight, which is a secondary priority. My health issues that never would go away, are nearly all gone.
            Please do not tell me I haven't tried, just don't.

            The recent experiment was just one meal so I could show you, and those other 2, that I don't want to eat starchy carbs as they don't make me feel good. I am not going to persist with that, because I KNOW.
            I would feel horrible on low fat and brown rice as well. Low fat is just as problematic as low carb, if not more problematic since fats are more essential. I'd recommend low carbohydrate dieting over low fat dieting any day to virtually anyone.

            It all comes down to individual food choices. There is very little nutrition in chicken breast and brown rice. That is some awful quality insoluble grain fiber for your gut and it is strongly linked to colon cancer due to the abrasions it causes to your intestines as it...passes. Brown rice is one of nature's greatest source of phytic acid, so what little nutrition you're getting from that diet isn't being absorbed by your body. This will be further compounded by your low intake of quality fats, so whatever fat soluble vitamins are still bioavailable after they make it past the phytate can't be absorbed efficiently. Prolonged low fat diets can be an absolute disaster, especially in the presence of grain carbohydrate.

            Low carbohydrate diets generally do not suffer as badly because they inherently eliminate grains, legumes and sugary junk foods due to the carb count. You accidentally wind up eating more meat and vegetables, which increases the bioavailability of vitamins and, obviously, increases the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins. Low carbohydrate diets are going to be superior strictly by accident in almost all cases. But the effects still slowly creep up. Generally, you wind up taking in too great of an amount of polyunsaturated fat and your CO2 production falls (due to less robust mitochondria forced to solely produce energy from FFA's). Your thyroid slows, your adrenals lag, adrenaline increases, serotonin increases, you lose sleep quality, digestion becomes impaired as gut bacteria declines due to the lack of fermentable sugars in your diet, you begin to develop food sensitivities (like lactose intolerance) due to the gut flora die-off, weight gain begins to occur as your metabolic rate decreases...it is a slower road, but it happens to a lot of low carbers.

            What I am simply stating is to give all food groups a fair shake. There are a handful of people where low carbohydrate dieting is truly medicinal, but they're in a minority, and unfortunately, some may really be too far gone from years of abusive dieting and poor lifestyle control. But it is very important to not let the tiny outliers outweigh the voices of the people that can be saved. Most of us can be saved, and we're doing more harm than good by avoiding perfectly healthy food. I try and speak for those people, because their voices are often drowned out as they're not zealots like the outliers tend to be.

            Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
            He called me a troll and a liar.
            Yes i know not everyone needs to eat low carb.
            Yes I know I damaged my body from years of disordered eating. Low carb high fat is what is fixing this.
            He saids that everyone needs starchy carbs, and he is wrong.
            You were eating poor quality carbs and restricting fats. Low carb primal is going to kick the pants off of low fat and grain carbohydrate. Be metered. Eggs and sweet potatoes =/= defatted chicken breast and oatmeal. They're two totally different beasts.

            You also can't stick to a ketogenic diet for weeks, then dump in 3-4 sweet potatoes in a sitting and be upset when you bloat. 3-4 of almost anything in one sitting is probably too much, and when you combine fat and carbohydrate, that's when you'll see the most bloat of all as it's easiest to overeat in the presence of both. Greasy, fatty starch...that is a recipe for overeating...a delicious, delicious recipe for overeating...ommmmmmmm.....
            Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-21-2013, 02:21 PM.
            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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            • Here's the thing for me.

              I eat moderate carbs. I'm not VLC (below 50g/day). I'm more between 80 g and 150 g depending upon the day. Which is moderate. My diet is high fat, though (most calories from fat). And my protein is high -- but constant (by high, I mean above RDA numbers and %ages).

              Yet, I never come off like choco.

              How does that happen?

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              • Choco, I see what you are saying. And yes I have given all food groups a fair shake.
                OK.
                I don't believe I am too far gone, due to the improvements I have already seen.
                I am not an idiot. If something is not making me feel good any more , I will change it.
                While I am able to live a normal life (compared to before), I will continue.

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                • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                  No.
                  Things like splotchy redness on face and chest, tightness in chest, palpitations, difficulty regulating body temperature, digestive pain and diarrhea, fatigue... etc.
                  High serotonin levels (the type that shows up on tests) is not an indicative test for serotonin of the way we think of it as involves mental well being and the brain.
                  And you'll likely be referred to an oncologist. It's an indicator for carcinoid cancer.
                  Are all signs of metabolic deficiency, promotion of stress hormones, chronic inflammation and the fact the majority of serotonin is located in the intestine. Yeah, I know. It's just noticeable when you're in a state of permanent stress.
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                  • And choco, that was just one example of the many things I tried.
                    There have been plenty of others. And I didn't just try for 5 mins either. I try to do every thing for at least a month, but if it made me feel crap after that still, there is no way I would carry on.

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                    • Choco, it wasn't 3-4 sweet potatoes, it was around 100 g of pumpkin and 100g of sweet potato. MFP told me it was around 75 g of carbs.
                      And I didn't combine fat and carbs, I ate chicken breast meat only. I already said this. It wasn't the bloat that concerned me as much as how sleepy I felt afterwards. All my other meals do not make me feel this way.
                      Did you not read what I said?
                      Why do you keep changing what I did?

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                      • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        He called me a troll and a liar.
                        Yes i know not everyone needs to eat low carb.
                        Yes I know I damaged my body from years of disordered eating. Low carb high fat is what is fixing this.
                        He saids that everyone needs starchy carbs, and he is wrong.
                        OK - as long as low carb is working for you, that's what matters.

                        One of the safest ways to eat starchy carbs is white rice with cooked vegetables, and plenty of protein and fat, in an evening meal after activity, not before. Context is everything in terms of understanding when your glycogen stores need replenishment and starch is your friend. 'Low Carb' is as useless a blanket concept as 'Low calorie'.
                        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                        • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Are all signs of metabolic deficiency, promotion of stress hormones, chronic inflammation and the fact the majority of serotonin is located in the intestine. Yeah, I know. It's just noticeable when you're in a state of permanent stress.
                          The vast majority of people diagnosed with this have never even thought of trying low carb, it has nothing to do with it.
                          C'mon.
                          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                          • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                            OK - as long as low carb is working for you, that's what matters.

                            One of the safest ways to eat starchy carbs is white rice with cooked vegetables, and plenty of protein and fat, in an evening meal after activity, not before. Context is everything in terms of understanding when your glycogen stores need replenishment and starch is your friend. 'Low Carb' is as useless a blanket concept as 'Low calorie'.
                            If I need to eat starch later, then yes I will look at trying white rice.
                            Didn't choco just say not to eat much fat with starch though? That is why I only ate the chicken breast from the roast with the sp and pumpkin. I had read this before on here somewhere.

                            Yes that is it, it works for me, and I know its not right for everyone.

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                            • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              Here's the thing for me.

                              I eat moderate carbs. I'm not VLC (below 50g/day). I'm more between 80 g and 150 g depending upon the day. Which is moderate. My diet is high fat, though (most calories from fat). And my protein is high -- but constant (by high, I mean above RDA numbers and %ages).

                              Yet, I never come off like choco.

                              How does that happen?
                              You're cool and stuff?
                              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                              • Choco, Primal eating is about no grains, burning fat for energy, carbs under 150g, and the idea that calories are secondary to macros (see carbs under 150 grams).

                                Your posts have said several times that it doesn't matter what you eat if your calories are under some number.
                                ....This is not Primal. This is CICO CW.

                                Your posts consistently advocate plenty of starches. You must be over 150g.
                                ....This is not Primal. This is on the insidious weight gain part of the Carbohydrate curve.

                                I guess you work off all those extra by exercising.
                                ....This is not Primal. You're supposed to be burning fat, not carbs.

                                The first page of your vaunted recipe from May 2011 thread uses coconut flour, almond meal, rice flour, and flax seed to make breads and pizza crust.
                                ....What was that about not using nuts for CW substitutes?

                                In May 2011 you suggested making a cheesecake high starch and low-fat by using dried fruit, rice, and tapioca starch.
                                ....Low fat is NOT primal. And where are the Real Food police when you need them? How can you call extracted starch from tapioca "whole and unprocessed?"

                                In May 2012 you posted more cheesecakes
                                ....We still don't know how Primal dairy is, but you have had to eat that cheesecake over a couple weeks at least, to stay within the 80/20 rule.

                                Four days ago, your dinner featured corn tortillas and rice.
                                ....I don't care if you soaked those corn toxins in bleach. Corn is a grain. It it NOT primal. And I'm sure that meal alone went over 150g carb.

                                At that I gave up. I don't know wtf kind of diet your food is. I don't care whether it works for you or not. This is NOT primal. This is some bastard cross between CW and faleo. I will not follow it, nor your posts.
                                5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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