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  • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
    There is a lot of truth in this. It's not all or necessarily a plastic surgeon either. I mean, the skin care clinic that I'm looking at is a dermatologist. He does micro derm abrasion, botox, thread lifts, and the various laser treatments.
    ...<snip>
    I've thought about a neck lift often. I just have a short and really flabby neck. All the skin is falling. My dad who is skinny is like this. My mom who is fat is like this. Definitely hereditary.

    Originally posted by zoebird View Post
    Here's the thing for me.

    I eat moderate carbs. I'm not VLC (below 50g/day). I'm more between 80 g and 150 g depending upon the day. Which is moderate. My diet is high fat, though (most calories from fat). And my protein is high -- but constant (by high, I mean above RDA numbers and %ages).

    Yet, I never come off like choco.

    How does that happen?
    Yeah? Good question.

    Originally posted by oxide View Post
    Choco, Primal eating is about no grains, burning fat for energy, carbs under 150g, and the idea that calories are secondary to macros (see carbs under 150 grams).

    Your posts have said several times that it doesn't matter what you eat if your calories are under some number.
    ....This is not Primal. This is CICO CW.

    ...<snip>

    At that I gave up. I don't know wtf kind of diet your food is. I don't care whether it works for you or not. This is NOT primal. This is some bastard cross between CW and faleo. I will not follow it, nor your posts.
    The thing I've noticed over time is he has changed his mind and with each change, he's dropped into the forums to preach the gospel of whatever new things he's found with a sanctimonious tone that really grates on a lot of people but sounds like heroics to others.

    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Hmmmm....one wonders

    You know whats funny to me is I eat probably close to as many carbs as you, but I'm likely considered one of the low carb fundamentalists around here. lol.
    I probably do, too. Maybe even more, at least by percentage since I do not eat such big meals as he shows in his pictures.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
      I expect that choco was recommending eating lower fat with starch and protein post-workout to maximise muscle gain by increasing the insulin spike. I would agree with that.

      Obviously, context is everything - i.e. whether muscle gain or fat loss is the priority, or a slow healthy balance between the two.
      Nope, I merely had responded to someone's comment in a thread a while back about that person's tendency to binge on carbs and then he came in saying that adding fats to carbs was not the "proper" way to eat them or something to that effect.
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • Aaah, the carb wars.
        Choco Taco, I like reading your posts. I find them informative and eloquently written and put together, altho at times patronizing. However, imo your nutritional paradigm doesn't sound compatible with the Primal one as I percieve it. To me it's much more in line with CW, customized for a person with Celiac.
        Personally, after I lost most of my extra weight eating at VLC level I have moved on to eating more of the right for me kind of carbs and have currently settled to 100 -120g daily. This is what works best for me and my own body and mind.
        Shouldn't this lifestyle be about figuring all that stuff for ourselves?
        IMO the Primal Blueprint is lower carb, compared to CW diet and the government made up food pyramid/plate. Is a low- carb woe by default.

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        • Originally posted by destructalux View Post
          and I thought the bodybuilding.com forum was bad for shit fights
          No kidding. I just went and turned 5 lbs of liver in to the best pate ever, had a water gun fight with my neighbor's kid, and took my dog for a walk. I come back 3 1/2 hours later and this is still going full steam. Wow.

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          • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
            You're cool and stuff?
            Maybe that's how I get along with people doing all kinds of things. Like, Otzi has his potato bit, and I'm like "that's cool." Have I done a potato bit? No. Do I want to? I have no idea. Maybe someday, but right now, definitely not. And then, you know, my good buddy paleobird is doing the carnivorous thing. I'm down with that. Am I going to do it? I have no idea. Maybe someday, but right now, definitely not.

            And, you know, then there's the SLD thing. My jury is still out on that one. . . and I'm like. . . that's cool. Ya'll do that thing.

            And then, you know, I have friends who are new paleos (through their crossfit box), and they have all kinds of funny ideas and stuff, and it's awesome. I'm like "that's good."

            End of the day, people gotta do what they gotta do. And I think that everyone is pretty smart here -- and people have different interests and expertise -- but I trust these smart people to be doing their researhc and their n-1 business and just doing their thing.

            And you know what? It's no threat to me. Because I'm doing my thing and it's pretty basic. It's PB. Straight up and simple -- that's all that it is.

            Simple enough, right?

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            • N=1 is a great thing. It is what should be driving our own personal diets. Instead, we have "my n=1 is great for me, so it must be great for everyone!"

              Well, that's a sure fire way to turn people off of the Ancestral Health movement if we're going to start preaching like that on a regular basis.
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                N=1 is a great thing. It is what should be driving our own personal diets. Instead, we have "my n=1 is great for me, so it must be great for everyone!"
                Yeah.

                Doesn't it make you miss the days when the "my food is better than yours" was fought between Paleo and Vegans and not within it's own circles? Blimey, this is starting to sound like some kind of fantasy/sci-if thriller. :P
                Dark chocolate and coffee, running through my veins...

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                • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  Choco, Primal eating is about no grains
                  It is one out of at least ten principles.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  burning fat for energy
                  Everyone burns fat for energy at all times. If you are not burning fat, you are dead.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  carbs under 150g
                  Wrong.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  and the idea that calories are secondary to macros (see carbs under 150 grams).
                  Wrong.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  Your posts have said several times that it doesn't matter what you eat if your calories are under some number.
                  Wrong. I have never said that, and you will never find that quote anyway. Calories matter for weight. If weight is your sole reason for dieting, I feel sorry for you.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  Your posts consistently advocate plenty of starches. You must be over 150g.
                  I advocate everyone try eating all real foods and see how they feel eating all types of food. I eat lots of starch because it is a vastly superior energy source for my lifestyle and I feel much better regularly eating fruit and starch. How exactly is this not primal?

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  ....This is not Primal. This is on the insidious weight gain part of the Carbohydrate curve.
                  You clearly have not read the book. Primal has absolutely nothing to do with carb count. Primal/Paleo isn't about what TO eat. It is about what NOT to eat.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  I guess you work off all those extra by exercising.
                  ....This is not Primal. You're supposed to be burning fat, not carbs.
                  You lack a fundamental understanding of how a person's metabolism works.

                  T
                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  he first page of your vaunted recipe from May 2011 thread uses coconut flour, almond meal, rice flour, and flax seed to make breads and pizza crust.
                  ....What was that about not using nuts for CW substitutes?
                  I was trying to hard to eat low carb. No wonder I didn't have any luck for the first 4 months.

                  Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  In May 2011 you suggested making a cheesecake high starch and low-fat by using dried fruit, rice, and tapioca starch.
                  ....Low fat is NOT primal. And where are the Real Food police when you need them? How can you call extracted starch from tapioca "whole and unprocessed?"
                  Low fat is absolutely primal assuming you're eating whole foods. There is nothing "not Primal" about tapioca.

                  Look, it isn't worth arguing. You clearly have never read the book.
                  Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-21-2013, 08:25 PM.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                    Funny, a while back, choco told me I should be eating my carbs WITHOUT fat. In fact, he recommended boiled chicken breast with fat and skin removed, and plain white rice. Mmmm...
                    That would strongly depend on the situation. If you are trying to gain lean muscle mass without putting on much fat, a great meal would be overeating chicken breast and white rice after a heavy weight training session. I've never eaten boiled chicken and plain white rice in my life, though. 96% ground beef and white potatoes would be a much tastier, more nutritious choice. My go to meal is usually steak and baked sweet potato fries after a workout.

                    Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                    That just sounds so appetizing. He said it had something to do with fat messing up satiety signals from carbs which would definitely go against what you just said which was we should include plenty of fat with our carbs.
                    No, I didn't say that. What you said makes no sense.

                    Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                    At least get your message to be consistent, ya know?
                    I think your message is simply to troll.

                    Eating fat with a small quantity of starch is sometimes a good way to introduce small amounts of starch to a person that hasn't had any in awhile since the fat mitigates the blood sugar response. It is also advisable for someone with blood sugar control issues that wants something starchy. For someone looking to overeat and gain lean muscle mass while minimizing fat gain after a heavy weight training session, it is advised to keep fat as low as possible because carbs are not directly stored as fat on your body (unlike dietary fat) and while overeating the same calories worth of fat and protein post-workout as carbs and protein will yield the same amount of weight gain, the protein/carbs meal should give you a better lean muscle:fat mass ratio.
                    Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-21-2013, 08:31 PM.
                    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                    • I just have one thing to add here...

                      If anyone is experiencing poor sleep, especially the variety where you are wide-awake about about 4-5 hours after you fall asleep, then toss and turn until your normal waking time...

                      Try eating at least 1/2 to 1 full pound of potatoes, rice, or another starch every day.

                      In my N=1, sleep problems were present for 2 years of LC, gone within 2 weeks of tripling carbs.

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                      • Originally posted by Graycat View Post
                        Aaah, the carb wars.
                        Choco Taco, I like reading your posts. I find them informative and eloquently written and put together, altho at times patronizing. However, imo your nutritional paradigm doesn't sound compatible with the Primal one as I percieve it. To me it's much more in line with CW, customized for a person with Celiac.
                        Personally, after I lost most of my extra weight eating at VLC level I have moved on to eating more of the right for me kind of carbs and have currently settled to 100 -120g daily. This is what works best for me and my own body and mind.
                        Shouldn't this lifestyle be about figuring all that stuff for ourselves?
                        IMO the Primal Blueprint is lower carb, compared to CW diet and the government made up food pyramid/plate. Is a low- carb woe by default.
                        The original mistake of the Primal Blueprint was including a carbohydrate curve. That is the PB's biggest downfall. The actual focus is simply eating real food. That is the most important thing, and it's why you see the paleo community sprinting away from carbohydrate restriction as fast as they can. Similar to CW's demonization of fats, the paleo community is quickly realizing its mistake with carbs. Sisson is no different since he has almost entirely abandoned the insulin-fat theory and carb counts (that he wrote about 2+ years ago) and now focuses more on calories. That's the best part about Mark - he actually changes instead of adhering to the same paradigm to save face. He's a humble man.
                        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                        • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                          The original mistake of the Primal Blueprint was including a carbohydrate curve. That is the PB's biggest downfall. The actual focus is simply eating real food. That is the most important thing, and it's why you see the paleo community sprinting away from carbohydrate restriction as fast as they can. Similar to CW's demonization of fats, the paleo community is quickly realizing its mistake with carbs. Sisson is no different since he has almost entirely abandoned the insulin-fat theory and carb counts (that he wrote about 2+ years ago) and now focuses more on calories. That's the best part about Mark - he actually changes instead of adhering to the same paradigm to save face. He's a humble man.
                          Id like to see where he said this please.

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                          • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                            Id like to see where he said this please.
                            I've read probably every one of his posts every day for the past 2 years. He has changed remarkably. Do you follow along daily?

                            He does a big writeup in his "Why Fast" series.

                            How Fasting Aids Weight Loss | Mark's Daily Apple

                            Mark generally recommends you meter your carbohydrate intake, but it's solely because he believes fat and protein will better satiate you, causing you to eat less calories. That's the point of his Carbohydrate Curve - he feels you should eat that way for satiety, not for magic metabolic reasons. The problem is as you lose more and more weight, the whole 9 calories per gram of fat thing becomes an issue. It becomes much easier to overdo fat than carbohydrate since an increased serving of fatty things translates into a bigger calorie load than a similar volumetric increase in carby things. Pair with that your leptin levels fall as body fat mass drops and your thyroid tends to slow with decreased carbohydrate and calorie intake, it becomes often more and more advantageous to displace more fat for carbohydrate as you get leaner and leaner. Also, factor in leaner bodies tend to enjoy moving around a lot more than larger bodies and you have all the more reason to shift calories.

                            You also have to realize the Primal Blueprint is written for a very overweight person that eats a standard American diet. "Carbs" to them are cake, cookies and pasta. These things are very calorically dense and simple to overeat. Any one of us can pack away 1,000 calories of cookies in a sitting without batting an eye. Try doing that with potatoes, though. They're high nutrient, low calorie foods that are very filling and difficult to overeat, providing you're not covering them in cheese, bacon and all kinds of goodies and increasing food reward too much.

                            I really buy into Stephan Guyenet's theories on food reward. He's pretty brilliant. This is phenomenal as well.

                            http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...drate-and.html
                            Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-21-2013, 08:55 PM.
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • He doesn't explicitly state he doesn't believe in the insulin hypothesis anymore (he probably still does), but he very rarely mentions insulin outside the context of insulin resistance. He even begrudgingly admitted here that de novo lipogenesis only occurs when glycogen stores are topped off; in other words, it contributes very little to fat stores if you're active, which most of us are.

                              Not to mention most people here eat very little in the way of glucose on top of their activity, so if you think that 151st carbohydrate led to your weight stall... yeah, bullshit.

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                              • Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                                He doesn't explicitly state he doesn't believe in the insulin hypothesis anymore (he probably still does), but he very rarely mentions insulin outside the context of insulin resistance. He even begrudgingly admitted here that de novo lipogenesis only occurs when glycogen stores are topped off; in other words, it contributes very little to fat stores if you're active, which most of us are.

                                Not to mention most people here eat very little in the way of glucose on top of their activity, so if you think that 151st carbohydrate led to your weight stall... yeah, bullshit.
                                Mark is still a bit of a carbophobe for sure, but he's slowly changing his tune. I will defend the guy because he actually regularly changes his opinion and he is a very nice, humble guy IMO. But he's one of the slower people in the community to change his tune. Guys like Chris Kresser, Stephan Guyenet and Robb Wolf are really leading the pro-carbohydrate charge, and it's a beautiful thing. But these guys are also a lot younger than Mark, so you'd expect them to be more open to change. Mark still pretty much is the reason behind this lifestyle taking off as he's reached the most people by far (and IMO has a much better eating plan than the original iterations of "paleo"), so the man deserves all the credit in the world. I'd still be a mess without him.

                                When it comes to real science though, I'm a Lyle McDonald fan.

                                http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...e-get-fat.html

                                1. Excess dietary fat is directly stored as fat
                                2. Excess dietary carbs increases carb oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
                                3. Excess dietary protein increases protein oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat

                                Got it? All three situations make you fat, just through different mechanisms. Fat is directly stored and carbs and protein cause you to store the fat you’re eating by decreasing fat oxidation.

                                The Obvious Question: Why Not Just Eat Zero Dietary Fat?

                                And now I’ll answer the question that I know every person who has read (and hopefully understood) the above is asking: so if carbs and protein are rarely converted to and stored as fat, and make you fat by decreasing fat oxidation and causing all ingested dietary fat to get stored as fat, can’t I eat as much as I want of protein and carbs so long as my dietary fat intake is zero?

                                And the asnswer is still no. Remember how I teased you above with one other exception, when carbs are converted to fat for storage? That exception is when dietary fat is below about 10% of total daily calories. Under that condition, the body ramps up de novo lipogenesis. So you still get fat.
                                Carbohydrate is very rarely stored as body fat. But the fact remains - it all comes down to calories. You either undereat your TDEE and lose weight or you overeat your TDEE and gain weight. Or, you could do what I try and do - undereat on sedentary days (so you lose primarily body fat while resting and preserve lean mass) and overeat after heavy weight training workouts with protein and carbs (so you primarily gain muscle and little fat).
                                Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-21-2013, 09:02 PM.
                                Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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