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  • #46
    I totally agree about the veggie thing. When I was vegetarian I ate a shit-tonne of vegetables every day. I would eat even raw broccoli!! I thought I loved it. Started eating meat again in JUne, and gradually the veggie (and fruit) intake have dwindled until just before Cmas I realised I was rarely eating either of them on a daily basis!

    I agree with the sentiment that in the past I overate on them to fill up, and cos' I felt they were healthy. Now I'm definitely questioned if it's necessary to eat that much. I'm eating prob 3 pieces of fruit/veg a day but it's not for the comfort / full / obligatory factors anymore. I love fruit and enjoy it as a snack / breakfast food. Veggies are refreshing and just break up / enhance the flavours in the rest of my meal.
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    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    • #47
      i had a raw oyster the other night as someone i know had been out on a trawler for the day. i know where to find them near me but they are smaller. i've only ever had oyster cooked twice i think? i had hapuka carpet bag with oysters at a local seafood place once which was yummy. and maybe i got cooked once squid stuffed with oysters and brill? i am so so about pork. no clue on why everyone raves about bacon. wild pork is a whole different other beast and i am all good with that. i love goat. i have some in the freezer i plan to mince up and make some kitfo with.

      i reckon i could make my own icecream with just egg yolks, cream or coconut cream/milk and maybe the tinsiest smidgen of honey and i would maybe enjoy it. which gets me to the question i have which no one has answered so far. do carnivores eat honey?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
        I totally agree about the veggie thing. When I was vegetarian I ate a shit-tonne of vegetables every day. I would eat even raw broccoli!! I thought I loved it. Started eating meat again in JUne, and gradually the veggie (and fruit) intake have dwindled until just before Cmas I realised I was rarely eating either of them on a daily basis!

        I agree with the sentiment that in the past I overate on them to fill up, and cos' I felt they were healthy. Now I'm definitely questioned if it's necessary to eat that much. I'm eating prob 3 pieces of fruit/veg a day but it's not for the comfort / full / obligatory factors anymore. I love fruit and enjoy it as a snack / breakfast food. Veggies are refreshing and just break up / enhance the flavours in the rest of my meal.
        Yep, I've been reading the works of J. Stanton of the Gnolls site lately and his saying is, "Eat like a predator, not like prey." If you are grazing on a bunch of greenery, that seems more like prey to me. Also the "The Gnoll Credo" is well worth a read.
        Other flavors to enhance the meat is the whole idea behind the Dirty Carnivore site.

        Originally posted by seaweed View Post
        i had a raw oyster the other night as someone i know had been out on a trawler for the day. i know where to find them near me but they are smaller. i've only ever had oyster cooked twice i think? i had hapuka carpet bag with oysters at a local seafood place once which was yummy. and maybe i got cooked once squid stuffed with oysters and brill? i am so so about pork. no clue on why everyone raves about bacon. wild pork is a whole different other beast and i am all good with that. i love goat. i have some in the freezer i plan to mince up and make some kitfo with.

        i reckon i could make my own icecream with just egg yolks, cream or coconut cream/milk and maybe the tinsiest smidgen of honey and i would maybe enjoy it. which gets me to the question i have which no one has answered so far. do carnivores eat honey?
        I adore oysters raw when I can get them and smoked in a can as a pantry staple.
        The only kind of pork that tastes good to me is the processed stuff that we all know we really shouldn't be eating. Occasionally I can find a good prosciutto without chemicals and that is yummy. But I would much rather have lamb chops than pork chops.

        Um no, I don't think carnivores eat honey. Maybe that home made ice cream could be a once a year treat on your birthday or something.

        I used to make soft serve ice cream for Dad just by blending raw hwc and frozen fruit in the vitamix so you really wouldn't even need honey.

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        • #49
          I live in Alaska and know lots of Inuits, most of them are very unhealthy as they eat SAD. None that I know of eat ancestrally.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            Ooooh talk meaty to me, Derpy.
            I have something I'd like to place in your broth if you know what I mean
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            • #51
              I used to make soft serve ice cream for Dad just by blending raw hwc and frozen fruit in the vitamix so you really wouldn't even need honey.
              i still do that for the kids. i reckon maybe with cream, egg yolks and CO and some vanilla would be nice. totally with you on the lamb chops instead of pork. do you get hogget in the US?

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              • #52
                I go carnivorous sometimes. I just won't feel like eating anything but a big steak, fried in butter with a fried egg on top. Runny yolk of course. Can't really do it while deployed though. The chowhall meat isn't very high quality, and they usually won't give me enough either. Apparently anything more than one steak on Friday night is unacceptable.
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                • #53
                  I will be interested to see if, as the seasons change, your taste for some vegetables gets heightened. It seems to me that eating carnivorously for at least a few months of the year would have been a very natural and necessary way of life for Grok.

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                  • #54
                    When I ate a ketogenic diet over the summer I rarely ate veggies... mostly just meat and fat. Worked great for a while and then I got to a place where I was craving carbs so I added them back in. The problem was I think my body got too depleted and I over did the carbs and couldn't get my eating under very good control for a couple of months. I gained 5 lbs back in the last few months, no big deal... but I didn't like that adding more carbs made me feel a little out of control with my eating... more cravings, etc. In ketosis you lose a lot of your appetite so no cravings. Now I am feeling like I need to find a bit more balance to make it sustaniable and long term. I don't like lowering my fat and adding to many resistant starches makes me gain weight (PHD style). I am back to VLC, high fat, moderate protein for a little while to kick some of these cravings and then will add some resistant starches here and there... a few times a week probably in the form of sweet potatoes, white potatoes, or bananas. I've just come to find I am too carb sensitive for PHD and VLC doesn't work for me long term, so somewhere in the middle but leaning more towards VLC is what might be best for me.

                    I agree about not wanting as many vegetables and I never really ate fruit in the past two years of being primal, but I do like bananas occasionally now. Even during my VLC months I always ate meat at every meal even though many were cutting down on it. I need my meat and my fat... the rest are just to enhance them a bit.

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                    • #55
                      I buy steak at a local market, not grass-fed, but it's an ethnic market and their meats are really good. For some reason all the cuts are absolutely enormous. If you want a pork loin you are going to bring home a piece of meat the size of your leg. When I buy top sirloin I get steaks I need to cut in thirds to make the still-generous portions I like to eat. As I'm cutting them up, I seem to instinctively want to pop pieces of the raw meat into my mouth. I don't know why. I have stopped myself every time. Perhaps this is the gateway to trying raw meat. Just cut up a lean, red steak and succumb to the allure of those little red jewels of raw beef you cut off.

                      I do tend to be a mostly carnivorous eater most of the time. Lately I've enjoyed root vegetables, potatoes and squash with my meals. Once in a while I just need to eat a big pile of broccoli or cauliflower. Beef and broccoli is a good combo. But I don't eat broccoli every day, nor do I think I need to. Yesterday the only vegetables I ate were sweet potato, mushrooms and onions. Tonight I will have a big huge bloody rare steak. Best thing on earth.
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                      • #56
                        As to the raw meat bit, I'd say give it a try. I can't really put into words, except to say the meat tastes cleaner. Usually I just "taste test" before throwing it on the grill. But, I have sat down and eaten a whole raw steak on a couple occasions as a little N=1. It's an interesting experiment for sure. I consume raw egg yolks almost every day. I don't think I could go 100% raw, but once in a while it provides for some variety.

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                        • #57
                          I want mussels, right now, because of this thread. Butter and garlic and mmmm...

                          PB, do you have any thoughts on macros? How much fat vs. how much protein. Or are you just going to eat to satiety?
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            I have something I'd like to place in your broth if you know what I mean
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                            Originally posted by seaweed View Post
                            i still do that for the kids. i reckon maybe with cream, egg yolks and CO and some vanilla would be nice. totally with you on the lamb chops instead of pork. do you get hogget in the US?
                            Sure. Vanilla is sweet enough on its own for me. What is hogget?

                            Originally posted by Althaur View Post
                            I go carnivorous sometimes. I just won't feel like eating anything but a big steak, fried in butter with a fried egg on top. Runny yolk of course. Can't really do it while deployed though. The chowhall meat isn't very high quality, and they usually won't give me enough either. Apparently anything more than one steak on Friday night is unacceptable.
                            That's a shame. We should give our armed forces all the meat they want. We did in WWII. The troops got first dibs on all the country's meat and it was rationed for everybody else. Back then we had our priorities straight.

                            Originally posted by Sabine View Post
                            I will be interested to see if, as the seasons change, your taste for some vegetables gets heightened. It seems to me that eating carnivorously for at least a few months of the year would have been a very natural and necessary way of life for Grok.
                            Yes, this interests me too. Although I live in a place where the changes in season are not very dramatic.

                            Originally posted by healthy11 View Post
                            When I ate a ketogenic diet over the summer I rarely ate veggies... mostly just meat and fat. Worked great for a while and then I got to a place where I was craving carbs so I added them back in. The problem was I think my body got too depleted and I over did the carbs and couldn't get my eating under very good control for a couple of months. I gained 5 lbs back in the last few months, no big deal... but I didn't like that adding more carbs made me feel a little out of control with my eating... more cravings, etc. In ketosis you lose a lot of your appetite so no cravings. Now I am feeling like I need to find a bit more balance to make it sustaniable and long term. I don't like lowering my fat and adding too many resistant starches makes me gain weight (PHD style). I am back to VLC, high fat, moderate protein for a little while to kick some of these cravings and then will add some resistant starches here and there... a few times a week probably in the form of sweet potatoes, white potatoes, or bananas. I've just come to find I am too carb sensitive for PHD and VLC doesn't work for me long term, so somewhere in the middle but leaning more towards VLC is what might be best for me.

                            I agree about not wanting as many vegetables and I never really ate fruit in the past two years of being primal, but I do like bananas occasionally now. Even during my VLC months I always ate meat at every meal even though many were cutting down on it. I need my meat and my fat... the rest are just to enhance them a bit.
                            Was the problem really depletion or that eating carbs promotes eating more carbs? I know Otzi is on an RS kick lately but really, RS is nothing more than Type III fiber (right after soluble and insoluble). It is not a magic substance that does anything you need other than nourish the gut bacteria that you need to digest it. Hence eating potatoes begets more potato eating. Your gut bacteria actually can give you cravings for what they want you to feed them (interesting series at Hyperlipid called "Whose Fat Is It Anyway?")The only nutrient found in The substance from breaking down RS that our bodies need is butyrate. The most concentrated form of butyrate in the world is BUTTER from which it gets its name. So, I say, "Give me the butter and hold the potato."

                            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            I buy steak at a local market, not grass-fed, but it's an ethnic market and their meats are really good. For some reason all the cuts are absolutely enormous. If you want a pork loin you are going to bring home a piece of meat the size of your leg. When I buy top sirloin I get steaks I need to cut in thirds to make the still-generous portions I like to eat. As I'm cutting them up, I seem to instinctively want to pop pieces of the raw meat into my mouth. I don't know why. I have stopped myself every time. Perhaps this is the gateway to trying raw meat. Just cut up a lean, red steak and succumb to the allure of those little red jewels of raw beef you cut off.

                            I do tend to be a mostly carnivorous eater most of the time. Lately I've enjoyed root vegetables, potatoes and squash with my meals. Once in a while I just need to eat a big pile of broccoli or cauliflower. Beef and broccoli is a good combo. But I don't eat broccoli every day, nor do I think I need to. Yesterday the only vegetables I ate were sweet potato, mushrooms and onions. Tonight I will have a big huge bloody rare steak. Best thing on earth.
                            Yum, sampling a little like that sound like a good way to get over the squeem factor.

                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            As to the raw meat bit, I'd say give it a try. I can't really put into words, except to say the meat tastes cleaner. Usually I just "taste test" before throwing it on the grill. But, I have sat down and eaten a whole raw steak on a couple occasions as a little N=1. It's an interesting experiment for sure. I consume raw egg yolks almost every day. I don't think I could go 100% raw, but once in a while it provides for some variety.
                            Yep, now that I have a good source where I could actually go out and "Meet my meat", this is becoming more interesting.

                            Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                            I want mussels, right now, because of this thread. Butter and garlic and mmmm...
                            PB, do you have any thoughts on macros? How much fat vs. how much protein. Or are you just going to eat to satiety?
                            I want oysters on the half-shell for breakfast. Macros? Well the carnivorous premise is that, with all the other dietary noise (i.e. veggies, starch, etc) cleared out, your body can sort this out on its own as long as you are eating a reasonable amount of fat in your meat/fish. They contend that, with carbs so low, any extra on either fat or protein will just be excreted. I'm not sure if I buy this. I will say however that I ate A LOT yesterday, 1lb labne for brunch, about 8oz of salmon and three lamb chops for dinner. By the time I went to bed at midnight, I was tummy rumbling hungry again. It feels like my metabolism has kicked into a higher gear.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by paleobird View Post
                              i know otzi is on an rs kick lately but really, rs is nothing more than type iii fiber (right after soluble and insoluble). it is not a magic substance that does anything you need other than nourish the gut bacteria that you need to digest it. Hence eating potatoes begets more potato eating.
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                              • #60
                                What is hogget?
                                basically a sheep that is between one and two years old. interesting discussion here about it if you are into sheep lol
                                Difference between a hogget and a 2 tooth - lifestyleblock discussion forums
                                the meat has more flavour than lamb. i prefer it. mutton i like even better but it is way more difficult to get here. you usually have to buy a leg to roast. vs chops.

                                summer here. i am not craving veges. funnily enough stone fruit is smelling overpoweringly sweet to me right now.

                                sbhikes just do it. you wont look back.

                                Yep, now that I have a good source where I could actually go out and "Meet my meat", this is becoming more interesting.
                                you will be out hunting next PB!

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