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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
    No not really, it seems to me that if you are avoiding animal fat due to religious reasons, you wouldn't eat meat at all.
    Is this Christianity? Or another religion? Not having a go, just curious. I would have thought it would need to be all or nothing thats all.
    i belive in trying to be obiedient to the Torah and also believe that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is my Lord and Savior. and maybe your right, maybe i shouldn't eat meat at all. i was a vegan for a while, but i wasn't healthy. maybe i just shouldn't do this.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
      I understand that. You do know you need animal fat to be healthy though right?
      That is kinda most of the point of primal. I know it is possible without, but I don't think you can be truly healthy without animal fat. What drew you to primal in the first place?
      i understand what your saying, that is why i am saying that I eat what i don't see because i can't see it or it would be to hard to take it out, but if the fat is hanging out there and i can see it i won't eat it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
        I understand that. You do know you need animal fat to be healthy though right?
        That is kinda most of the point of primal. I know it is possible without, but I don't think you can be truly healthy without animal fat. What drew you to primal in the first place?
        what drew me was Gary Taubes book and crossfit. i like how people look and are so strong and capable. capable to defend themselves and just function with a lesser chance of getting hurt. When i did atkins, it worked but i never worked out, i was skinny fat. i don't want to do that again. i want to be lean and strong and functional.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MJT515 View Post
          i belive in trying to be obiedient to the Torah and also believe that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is my Lord and Savior. and maybe your right, maybe i shouldn't eat meat at all. i was a vegan for a while, but i wasn't healthy. maybe i just shouldn't do this.
          I can't say I understand the religious aspect of it. But I do believe we need animals to be healthy, its what they are there for after all
          I do care about the care of animals though, so I do go out of my way to get "happy" animals, that are killed gently and by hand etc.
          Is it the care of the animals that stop you from eating them? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand and maybe help you find your way around not eating it.
          How do you feel when you are eating meat? Physically I mean.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MJT515 View Post
            what drew me was Gary Taubes book and crossfit. i like how people look and are so strong and capable. capable to defend themselves and just function with a lesser chance of getting hurt. When i did atkins, it worked but i never worked out, i was skinny fat. i don't want to do that again. i want to be lean and strong and functional.
            Primal will get you there
            Def can do it, while eating more carbs if really low carb doesn't work for you. It does for some, but I know we are all different. You don't have to eat tons of meat. The macros I am following suggests your goal weight in kg (say 60 kg for me) and aim for that amount of protein per day. Which really is not huge.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MJT515 View Post
              i belive in trying to be obiedient to the Torah and also believe that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is my Lord and Savior. and maybe your right, maybe i shouldn't eat meat at all. i was a vegan for a while, but i wasn't healthy. maybe i just shouldn't do this.
              This is telling you something isn't it.
              Surely you can be faithful to your religion, while still eating meat. I would think health is more important.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                I can't say I understand the religious aspect of it. But I do believe we need animals to be healthy, its what they are there for after all
                I do care about the care of animals though, so I do go out of my way to get "happy" animals, that are killed gently and by hand etc.
                Is it the care of the animals that stop you from eating them? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand and maybe help you find your way around not eating it.
                How do you feel when you are eating meat? Physically I mean.
                When i was a vegan, i went vegan because of prions. but i too care about animals and will try to eat only happy animals too. i try to find meat that has been killed in a biblically kosher way, not rabbinically.

                i feel fine when i eat meat. i don't feel guilty. physically all i get is some phelgm in the back of my throat that i can't clear. and the Bible does allow us to eat meat. look the whole point for my original post was to see if i could eat about 2 avacados a day in lieu of animal fat or pork fat or anykind of fat without it derailing my efforts. i am fine with how i prepare and eat the meat that i do eat. i have no questions on that.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                  This is telling you something isn't it.
                  Surely you can be faithful to your religion, while still eating meat. I would think health is more important.
                  i wasn't vegan for my religion. i just happend to believe the way i did and happend to be a vegan. and yes my health is important to me, that is why i am on here.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                    Primal will get you there
                    Def can do it, while eating more carbs if really low carb doesn't work for you. It does for some, but I know we are all different. You don't have to eat tons of meat. The macros I am following suggests your goal weight in kg (say 60 kg for me) and aim for that amount of protein per day. Which really is not huge.
                    thanks, and i am okay with slow weight loss, because of loose skin issues. and i will give me time to fill my body up with muscle

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                    • #25
                      Sorry yes, the avocados, it really depends on what macros you are aiming for.
                      I would say that 2 avocados would be OK. 250 calories each and around 25 g of fat. So 2 is still only 50 g. (I am going for 100g a day, but that is 70% fat, some around here are not that high).
                      Coconut oil is good for cooking in, or putting in coffee or tea, or just having a spoon full. What about things like cashew butter or almond butter for more fat?

                      Prions?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MJT515 View Post
                        i wasn't vegan for my religion. i just happend to believe the way i did and happend to be a vegan. and yes my health is important to me, that is why i am on here.
                        I see, and that is great you have taken the step to look into better ways

                        Slow weight loss is def good
                        Have you seen Marks primal blueprint fitness guide? Lifting heavy things, and doing stuff like squats etc.

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                        • #27
                          prions are the protiens found in spogiobovine encephelatis (sp?), all the good stuff that causes mad cow disease in people and animals. they don't know where it comes from but many do believe that it is caused when animals that are supposed to be herbivores are made to eat feed that has other animals ground into it. it really is disgusting.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                            Have you seen Marks primal blueprint fitness guide? Lifting heavy things, and doing stuff like squats etc.
                            yes, from what i seen on web and library. i can't afford the books right now.

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                            • #29
                              I think the fitness guide is free on here.

                              I guess that is another reason I get animals that are only grass fed, and not supplemented or given any hormones. But I do understand its not as easy to find this type of meat for some.
                              I do wish you all the luck with this, and hope you can come to a happy place with eating meat, and I am certain your health will improve, along with weight loss
                              There is tons of great info and lots of helpful people on here.

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                              • #30
                                thank you Ayla2010. i agree!

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