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  • I think it is a urban legend; as a child I was told if you pour coke over a ham than you would see worms coming out of the ham. The ham has to be uncooked for it to happen. I never got the courage to try. :-\

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    • lestat - i thought you said she was grassfed

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      • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Mmmmm.... making carnitas today.

        This thread inspired me.

        Thanks ya'll.
        Pork picnic shoulder ready for the crock pot tomorrow along with lime, cumin, garlic, onion, bay, parsley...
        Sandra
        *My obligatory intro

        There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

        DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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        • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          I meant populations. As you allude to. So you're on a website about "The Primal Blueprint," but you don't accept that what evolution designed us for is still good for us? Or only applies if we actually go live on the Savannah? This represents a disconnect in your thought patterns, not the actual evidence.

          Propose a mechanism by which clean red meat, the kind those of us on this website advocate, would cause any of the problems you're so scared of and we can debunk away.
          Heme iron, Neu5Gc, carcinogens, exogenous AGEs and amines can be potentially problematic if overconsumed.

          Also I copied this from a guy who used to post here.



          I advise people to purchase grass-fed meat, to not overcook it, and to eat a diet with a lot of fruit or other high flavanoid foods, and fiber, and then I think that there is little chance of such problems.


          (1) http://journals.cambridge.org/action...07114510001042 (2) http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/5/1286.full (3) http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/4/940.full (4) http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/5/1409.full (5) http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/con...stracts/OR03-1 (6) http://www.springerlink.com/content/...7p5771/?MUD=MP (7) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823788 (8) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237312


          Red meat is high in fats which induce intestinal barrier dysfunction and result in the translocation of endotoxin from the gut into the blood stream which trigger the inflammatory cascade. The mechanism is oxidative stress from the bile acids needed to digest fats, damaging the intestinal muscosal barrier(1)(2). Naturally, one would expect certain antioxidants to prevent this, and indeed many from fruit including oranges and grapes do.(3)(4) Dietary fiber has been shown to prevent this acutely (5)(6), and perhaps chronically (7), perhaps chronically via the actions of butyrate, a product of bacterial fermentation of fibers which protects the gut, and because it binds bile acids and facilitates their excretion (from 5 and 6).

          Some may suggest other mechanisms, however I urge them to reconsider, as there is very little evidence, and some to contradict it, that red meat actually increases inflammation chronically (8). It can acutely under certain easily preventable circumstances that I have alluded to.

          I advise people to purchase grass-fed meat, to not overcook it, and to eat a diet with a lot of fruit or other high flavanoid foods, and fiber, and then I think that there is little chance of such problems.

          That is unless you have an allergy, in which case you have my deepest sympathies. Stuffy nose makes its plausible.

          (1) http://journals.cambridge.org/action...07114510001042 (2) http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/5/1286.full (3) http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/4/940.full (4) http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/5/1409.full (5) http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/con...stracts/OR03-1 (6) http://www.springerlink.com/content/...7p5771/?MUD=MP (7) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823788 (8) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237312

          I can respond to any questions, I suspect that there might be some.


          For more Paleo Diet hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/1607...#ixzz2IPSUpKmT
          Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 01-19-2013, 01:52 AM.

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          • Against what virus am I now vaccinated?
            well then

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            • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
              Also I copied this from a guy who used to post here.

              For more Paleo Diet hacks: Inflammation from red meat - PaleoHacks.com
              Yeah, stabby always posts some pretty good stuff. But seriously first look at his whole response, then also realize he was being asked to postulate a possible mechanism for something that IMO may or may not exist as an actual issue to overall health.....just a localized event in the body. He does so.

              Please also see that three of the four postulated mechanisms revolve around buying good meat and not burning it (cooking low and slow to be safe). Easy enough. The only one you quoted was the fourth one. Not a bad little bit, but it in no way states any reason to limit your intake....again just pruposes a mechanism for oxidative stress, which in many aspects is not just some damaging event but an integral part of cells signaling systems. I don't think you can draw any real conclusion that red meat = bad out of that. Eat primal be happy

              The iron bit may actually have some backing and we're kinda waiting on those studies. So give blood once in a while...you should anyhow. I was reading a De Vany's blog the other day and came across an interesting tidbit on this and people of European decent being at higher risk due to the weaning out process from the bubonic plague....

              Iron, hemochromatosis, and bacteria - Art De Vany on Line

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              • It’s not up to members of this board to postulate a single mechanism about why red meat may be bad, there may be various mechanisms, and working on falsification and verifications of several hypothesis and theories is the global work of the scientist community and will take many years still too come. But we can see clearly on a statistically basis from all the studies and meta-studies that there is something not-that-healthy around red meat, and that consuming it is best to be moderated and also that white meat is a healthier option. So, it is up to everybody to draw his own conclusions of course, but the picture seem pretty clear to me for taking a decision about how I plan my eating, and I don’t have to know the underlying mechanisms for doing that…
                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                - Schopenhauer

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                • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                  It’s not up to members of this board to postulate a single mechanism about why red meat may be bad, there may be various mechanisms, and working on falsification and verifications of several hypothesis and theories is the global work of the scientist community and will take many years still too come. But we can see clearly on a statistically basis from all the studies and meta-studies that there is something not-that-healthy around red meat, and that consuming it is best to be moderated and also that white meat is a healthier option. So, it is up to everybody to draw his own conclusions of course, but the picture seem pretty clear to me for taking a decision about how I plan my eating, and I don’t have to know the underlying mechanisms for doing that…

                  Nope...wrong on just about every level. It actually is up to every individual to use their brains and either accept or reject postulated mechanisms based on previous knowledge and logic. Anybody with a brain can employ the scientific method, it is not exclusive to use by the scientific community alone. In fact your reaction and that of many peoples is to a headline the media likely reports with sensationalistic claims that are in no way actually backed by the data.

                  We can see NOTHING clearly based on poorly done meta-analysis and actually CAN point out numerable problems with the actual study in question that leaves us with no real answers.....

                  So in the end what we do know is that you can monkey with statistics enough to present a bias as fact if you like. You also have douchebag media reps that take these results out of context to report with sensational headlines. You then have John Q. Public completely duped EXCEPT for those who actually know how to read studies.

                  But, eat what you like! There are plenty of meats to choose from, and variety is a good idea....Pork IS a white meat too. Have at it. I mean thats what this thread WAS about anyhow.
                  Last edited by Neckhammer; 01-19-2013, 10:37 AM.

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                  • Dude there is nothing wrong with red meat. By your other recommendations it sounds almost like the same advice they give on mens health magazine

                    I would eat red meat far before I would eat poultry or fatty fish
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                    • Funny..I have heard that too but had totally forgotten. While I am not going to try it, I am sticking it in the realm of urban legend.

                      Originally posted by phigment View Post
                      I think it is a urban legend; as a child I was told if you pour coke over a ham than you would see worms coming out of the ham. The ham has to be uncooked for it to happen. I never got the courage to try. :-\
                      You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

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                      CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
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                      • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        Why? I usually eat red meat once a week, poultry three times a week, fish or seafood twice a week, and organs once a week. Do you imply that this is not primal enough?
                        Do you only eat one meal a day? Cuz some of us eat two or even three meals a day. And I'm speaking for myself here, but I eat meat, fish or eggs twice a day on average.
                        Sandra
                        *My obligatory intro

                        There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                        DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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                        • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post

                          It's an interesting concept. It makes sense to me, from the way I've been raised to see certain things as clean, dirty, acceptable, or unacceptable (it's all conditioning and perspective, nothing is a given), that as omnivores, it would be "unclean" to consume another omnivore.

                          But I don't worry about it much. I eat pig meat.
                          Aren't chickens omnivores? And cannibals?

                          We eat bear. Bears are omnivores. The meat is darker than pork but the texture and flavor is similar. The bears we eat are wild and "organic" ...not the ones raiding back yard orchards and garbage dumps.

                          The next pig we get will be Hutterite raised and not fed corn, soy or GMO grains.
                          Sandra
                          *My obligatory intro

                          There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                          DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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                          • Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
                            Aren't chickens omnivores? And cannibals?
                            Oh, yes... quite the little evil dinosaur brain left in those devils!
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
                              Do you only eat one meal a day? Cuz some of us eat two or even three meals a day. And I'm speaking for myself here, but I eat meat, fish or eggs twice a day on average.
                              I do not eat in the AM, but my "breakfast" I usually do at 3 PM and I eat raw vegetables such as broccoli, raddish and some fresh white cheese, or I eat eggs. My main meal I eat around 6 PM and I also eat a much smaller supper 9.30 PM. The later meal often consist of the same as my dinner, but prepeared in a soup so if I eat beef for dinner I often do a meatsoup for the evening meal, and I count this as I had meat once that week. I am a relative big eater so I can eat up to two pound of meat in my dinner and supper, but I avoid eating beef more than once a week, or pork/bacon more than twice a month, for reasons I have mentioned above. There are lots of other healthy meat options to choose from...
                              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                              - Schopenhauer

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                              • Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
                                Aren't chickens omnivores? And cannibals?
                                Many animals becomes cannibals when starved, even cows can eat their dead "comrades" when locked up and starving. True story folks...
                                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                                - Schopenhauer

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