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    So, I recently began taking daily probiotic supplement. The Garden of Life brand.
    Things are moving along beautifully if you know what I mean. As someone who has suffered with irregularity all my life regardless of diet, this is a pretty big deal to me.

    However, with about $30 a month for that supplement alone it really adds up and I'd imagine it would not be financially sustainable for me long-term.

    My question I suppose is: If the gut flora gets balanced, or repaired - for the lack of a better term, is it really necessary to continue taking probiotics. Does it get repaired over time at all?
    Basically, is this something that needs to be taken continuously?

    I know another option is consuming fermented foods often, but my question is specifically about probiotics.
    So, what's your experience with them?

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    i stopped taking probiotics after a while, and i recommend the same. you're right that once things get better or repaired, there's not a whole lot of continued repair going on. it certainly won't hurt you...except for in the wallet. good probiotics are expensive.

    however, if you stop supplementing with a pill form probiotic, i would consume food based pre and probiotics as often as you can. so, the fermented foods like kombucha, kefir, kimchi, fermented pickles, etc. and plenty of dirty food and ocean plants.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by primalrob View Post
      however, if you stop supplementing with a pill form probiotic, i would consume food based pre and probiotics as often as you can. so, the fermented foods like kombucha, kefir, kimchi, fermented pickles, etc. and plenty of dirty food and ocean plants.
      This! Yogurt and kefir and booch are way cheaper (and probably taste better)
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      • #4
        You're taking a great probiotic, I really like that one a lot. I would say that after you are tolerating a large dose well and stay there a few months you can back off to 1 cap a day or just do fermented foods. I wouldn't stop though until you really feel like everything is in balance though. Don't switch to a cheaper probiotic though, Garden of Life is worth it and will get you healed faster and better than the others.
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        • #5
          Just eat fermented veggies. You can buy 'em pretty cheap at a lot of farmer's markets or even better, make 'em really cheap at home.

          Sauerkraut, kimchi, okra, pickles... Possibilities are limitless.

          From what I've read, a properly made fermented food should have more good bacteria per gram than most probiotic supplements do anyway, so cheaper, AND packed with more good stuff!
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          • #6
            I was taking a daily probiotic for awhile, then realized that I didn't really want to be spending 30 a month for stuff I could've getting through food. I stopped taking the probiotic, started eating miso, kimchi, and a cup of Greek yogurt daily, and things have never been smoother.
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            • #7
              I agree with Paleomom...
              I worked up to a good high dose for a good while to help heal my guts (I have gluten intolerance that has caused medical issues)... then backed off.
              Now I take one a day... and skip days here and there. It's not critical to take it daily anymore.

              But I also cannot eat any fermented veg due to sodium issues.
              I do consume raw, multi-strain, full fat greek style yogurt though... but not daily. Just when I feel like it.
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              • #8
                Agreeing with everyone here. The probiotics in pill form provided transient benefits. They're good to take if you really need a boost in gut flora but won't "repopulate" your flora for a long period of time. Consistently eating fermented foods is the way to go long term.

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                • #9
                  as long as you don't indulge in SAD foods, you should be fine ditching the pills. personally i like greek yogurt
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                  • #10
                    I think the real answer here is that there is just know way to know for sure. There are literally thousands of species of bacteria in our guts. Even the best probiotics or cultured foods only provide a small fraction of those and probably only transiently at that. It's just not known what we need to do to permanently alter our gut flora - particularly in regard to improving it.

                    So we are left to experiment. I would keep the dosing that is working for you for a couple of months and then taper down until you find a dosing schedule that works for you.

                    Theoretically, if you can heal your gut (i.e reduce intestinal hyperpermeability) then you should have stable gut flora. But every time you get a GI infection of any kind, take an antibiotic, or get exposed to a pesticide you can disrupt your gut again, so who knows how long anything will last.
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                    • #11
                      Thanks guys. I will never, ever take antibiotics again. Unless it's a matter of life and death. I was prescribed that stuff too often as a child. Even for minor stuff like sore throat and sniffles.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by primalrob View Post
                        ... and plenty of dirty food and ocean plants.
                        How do I get dirty food without getting ill also? Can one just eat dirt from the ground and be fine?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ToldUzo View Post
                          How do I get dirty food without getting ill also? Can one just eat dirt from the ground and be fine?
                          This is a great question! I usually apply the 3 second rule to every dropped food item (except liquids of course! ) but could someone throw a little more light on this point? How much does it help vs hurt to eat "dirty food" ?

                          Thank you!
                          Regards, Vishnu

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vishnuns39620 View Post
                            This is a great question! I usually apply the 3 second rule to every dropped food item (except liquids of course! ) but could someone throw a little more light on this point? How much does it help vs hurt to eat "dirty food" ?
                            I personally am pretty lax about this sort of stuff and I don't ever get sick and my gut is in pretty good condition too. In the name of no longer having a sterile kitchen and a weak immune system a lot of things in my kitchen get rinsed but not washed with soap. I don't even worry about meat too much (although poultry I certainly think about more). I put raw meat in my dehydrator and then eat it and that is supposed to be safe, so how is microscopic parts of meat on my knife or counter (after the water wash-up) any different? If it was sitting wet in a gloppy pile, that is gross and would probably make one sick. However I think that over washing everything makes us weak. My mother was a nurse and we had a very clean kitchen growing up. I grew up sick all the time, now in my "dirty" kitchen I never get sick. Certainly that is in part due to paleo vs. my more conventional wisdom healthy diet of childhood. That's just my n-1.
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                            • #15
                              Okay, I was more thinking in the lines of sprinkling my food with some soil from my garden and eat it or put it in a glass of water and drink... Or is that overdoing it??
                              Maybe I should go out and eat some snow.. I like the taste of snow and perhaps it will have some nice bacteria on it
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