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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mouse View Post
    Actually, a pound of sweet potato works out to 96 grams of carbohydrate (Nutrition Data, based on 6g/oz). Add in a large banana (31 g carbohydrate) and you get 127 g of carbs. That's well within Mark's recommendation for weight maintenance (100 to 150 g of carbs).

    I read the first edition of the PHD, and I just got my copy of the newest edition from Amazon.
    Mark's recommendation is to get most of that carb count from veggies though. He does eat starches, but not on a regular basis as I understand it. Certainly NOT daily.

    Not saying the PHD is wrong, but that is one BIG divergence from the PB.
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mouse View Post
      .... and you get 127 g of carbs. That's well within Mark's recommendation for weight maintenance (100 to 150 g of carbs).
      Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
      Mark's recommendation is to get most of that carb count from veggies though. He does eat starches, but not on a regular basis as I understand it. Certainly NOT daily.

      Not saying the PHD is wrong, but that is one BIG divergence from the PB.
      That was one of the key points for me. I feel better just adding them in, along with a few fruits. Before I was afraid to even have a Daily Apple, not if I still had any kind of vegetable. So one of the big things for me, was that PHD says not to count the carbs and calories from the veggies. And I know they don't have much of either, (and I know most say don't keep track anyways) but when you are trying to stay within a range of under 50, or under 100, or under 150, that loaded BAS would put you over so sometimes I was afraid to even eat that! So, that left something fatty or something protein as an option. But protein had a range also, so that leaves fat.

      Well... PHD recommendation for fat loss, is to start by cutting out the extra fat. So just a simple little switch in the macros, made the difference for my fat loss to start up again. Also for fat loss, keep your carb calories to about 500. (add more if you are athletic)
      65lbs gone and counting!!

      Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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      • #18
        I never cared for the PHD website. I felt it was too much nutritionism. I think that's the word that Michael Pollan uses. I never cared much for the Primal Blueprint, either. Too much diet book language. I guess I just can't be pleased. The only diet books I have are Protein Power, The Paleo Answer and The Big Book of Health and Fitness. I follow none of them to the letter. I take from each (and from Mark's Daily Apple blog) what sounds right to me and end up with something like a no counting of carbs or calories Primal Blueprint sorta Paleo diet kinda Mediterranean thing.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #19
          I really liked the way the book was written. Lots of info, most of it I can understand.

          I liked the section on supplements, and I liked the info on fasting. He stated things about fasting I had not heard before.
          65lbs gone and counting!!

          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gopintos View Post
            I really liked the way the book was written. Lots of info, most of it I can understand.

            I liked the section on supplements, and I liked the info on fasting. He stated things about fasting I had not heard before.
            It's more of a reference book than a 'diet' book, in my opinion. They do have a small section on losing weight, but it's not the focus of the book. I think they are leading the way with inclusion of ample starches on a healthy, long-term maintenance type diet. That's what killed Atkins, nobody could ever successfully transition from LC to maintenance...many stayed in 'induction' for years. Not sustainable for long-term.

            The confusing part of PHD is they don't tailor the plan for individuals, just give rough amounts like .5 - 1 pound of meat, for instance, and the macro ratios aren't hard and fast. I think when people get used to eating based on portion sizes and weights, they will like it better than trying to pin down magic ratios of macros.

            I find it very intuitive, for me it means 2 potatoes a day (or a portion of rice/plantain/sweet potato in lieu of), 1 pound of veggies and fruit, and 1 pound of meat. That, being my core food for the day, equals about 1300 calories. I also eat nuts, chocolate, cheese etc... If I want to drop some weight, I'd stick to the core foods with no extras and even double up on the spuds and cut the meat.

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            • #21
              How does PHD justified a pound of starch a day w/out raising insulin?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jackson44 View Post
                How does PHD justified a pound of starch a day w/out raising insulin?
                If you have issues with insulin, you may need a different strategy, but for the normal, healthy person the spike in blood sugar following a balanced meal containing 1/2 pound of starchy foods isn't so bad, and can be lessened by eating a fat or some vinegar alongside.

                As to an 'insulin spike', you get that from protein as well, maybe even more so, and overeating protein isn't so great, either...the PHD kind of replaces excess protein with starch. Not a bad tradeoff in the grand scheme of things...


                And, to prove my point about the future of paleo: Is low carb the best way to eat?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jackson44 View Post
                  How does PHD justified a pound of starch a day w/out raising insulin?
                  Perfect Health Diet is a horrible diet for anyone with diabetes/blood sugar/insulin issues and Jaminet knows this. His diet is not designed for people with blood sugar and insulin issues in mind though, seems to be more for the general population with few health issues.

                  And otzi is right to point out that protein can raise insulin as much or more than carbs. However, it will not raise blood sugar NEARLY as much. The insulin spike is necessary from protein to help it reach the muscles for growth/maitinance.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #24
                    He does have a section on ketogenic diets for this or that as well.
                    65lbs gone and counting!!

                    Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by otzi View Post
                      And, to prove my point about the future of paleo: Is low carb the best way to eat?
                      Um, well just to provide some context for his whole rant. Approximately 70% of Americans fall into the fluffy middled, metabolic syndrome, or type I or II diabetics that he is recommending restricting carbs to 70-110g for.....

                      Thats over 2/3 of all Americans and likely to be a much higher percent of anyone adopting the paleo lifestyle for health or weight loss.

                      So who is his post really for? What it really boils down to is he is talking to the 20% out there happy with their weight and health AND the 10% out there that are pushing themselves in athletic competition and high end training. That's who most of his article is geared toward.

                      I have no problem with his perspective, except that I don't see fueling excessive exercise with excessive carbs to be a healthy thing. I do believe that his original premise is correct in that you trade health and longevity for short term athletic prowess. Maybe not so bad as a teen high school athlete, but certainly overtraining becomes more an more real as you approach middle age.

                      Also Robb is still on the get your carbs from root veggies type of thing rather than potato or rice....until you need those excess carbs then it seems like he's for sweet potato, but not a fan of rice.
                      Last edited by Neckhammer; 01-13-2013, 07:10 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JudyCr View Post
                        I am so loving it!!
                        I bought it on Kindle but realized I needed a hard copy,
                        so looking for it from Amazon any day.
                        Same here. I love my Kindle, but it really does not have the ease of flipping back and forth like a hard copy, which I think is necessary w/this book!

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                        • #27
                          I am loving the book so far. Reading about the nutritional stats of evolutionary biology, especially about how the macronutrient ratios of most mammals end up breaking down (whether herbivore, omnivore or carnivore) it just "clicked". I had been avoiding fruit and starches like the plague since I diagnosed myself with candida overgrowth, but I never experienced any benefit from doing so. I feel much better adding them back in. I had really missed bananas! Now I can have my beloved green smoothies again, and some baked sweet potato with dinner, a little white rice here and there, etc. It's so much more freeing eating this way, IMO. I don't have to be as strict, I can still eat intuitively, and so far I've been smack dab in the middle of the macronutrient ranges, without even trying.

                          I also love the PHD website. Paul has made himself so accessible and responds to so many of the comments, which makes the comments section just as good of a read as the blog post itself.

                          The PHD + the Shangri-La Diet = winner in my book.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jackson44 View Post
                            How does PHD justified a pound of starch a day w/out raising insulin?
                            Probably because there isn't any process in the body that doesn't potentially affect blood sugar, and insulin only accounts for a small percentage of what is perceived as "insulin activity."
                            Make America Great Again

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by otzi View Post
                              And, to prove my point about the future of paleo: Is low carb the best way to eat?
                              Oh, and if you haven't watched the Masterjohn video he links http://vimeo.com/52645372 to you really should. I've read a bit of his stuff here and there, but after watching his video I'm liking his perspective even more. Seems he starts with the premise that the body is intelligent. I.e....insulin resistance, AGE's, oxidation....we label these as "bad" from our perspective of health but that is a very limited view of body function. They are either intelligent responses to current environmental cues or internal necessities for communication and health. OK....to tie this back to the PHD he talks about amylase and starch tolerance based on number of gene copies in the very beginning of the vid.
                              Last edited by Neckhammer; 01-13-2013, 08:53 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                I never cared for the PHD website. I felt it was too much nutritionism. I think that's the word that Michael Pollan uses. I never cared much for the Primal Blueprint, either. Too much diet book language. I guess I just can't be pleased. The only diet books I have are Protein Power, The Paleo Answer and The Big Book of Health and Fitness. I follow none of them to the letter. I take from each (and from Mark's Daily Apple blog) what sounds right to me and end up with something like a no counting of carbs or calories Primal Blueprint sorta Paleo diet kinda Mediterranean thing.
                                I think you almost have to do this to find what works for you. That is what I'm doing myself.

                                I do have to say I don't believe I will lose weight eating the PHD way and I feel better eating potatoes than rice so for me I think adding a few starches throughout the week is a good balance. I'm also thinking about cycling VLC with moderate to higher carb times, but not sure yet. All I know is that months of VLC left me depleted and then eating too much ice cream, almond meal cookies, and nonGMO popcorn. Getting way off track like that made me know I needed to have a more balanced diet that wasn't so low in carbs. Yet going VLC was the only way I could finally take off the weight, so now I need to find the balance.

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