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    Hey all,
    I'm leaving for a 6-8 month deployment next week on an aircraft carrier and I've been pondering how I'm going to continue my Primal eating while underway. The food the Navy serves nowadays is nowhere near Primal. They follow government regulations and the "food pyramid" when it comes to feeding us Sailors. I guess I'll just suck it up and revert to more of a low carber for my deployment.

    Anyway, while looking online I found something pretty interesting. This is the 1902 General Mess manual and the recipes look pretty healthy (even though a lot of them still call for a lot of flour). At least back then they had a heavy emphasis on meats and veggies. Now, we have pizza nights and the occasional steel beach picnic where they grill up burgers and dogs up on the flight deck. It's amazing how much has changed as far as nutrition goes in a 100 years....

    General Mess Manual and Cookbook - 1902

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    I eat in an Army dining facility every day for lunch. They use a color-coding system to sway the soldier's towards 'healthy' foods...it makes me laugh (and cry). That said, I have NO PROBLEM eating primally. I'm sure you will find an awesome salad bar, ample muscle meat, and fresh fruit. If they have a potato bar or baked potatoes--even better! Buy some sardines or canned oysters, gnaw the ends off chicken bones, seek out some liver. Don't drink calories, I know the military loves it's Gatoraid and Red Bull. IF every day or load up on eggs and bacon at breakfast--no need to eat the biscuits and gravy.

    If you want a good read for the trip, get The Perfect Health Diet...Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life hardcopy or e-copy available. Mark Sisson approved.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by otzi View Post
      I eat in an Army dining facility every day for lunch. They use a color-coding system to sway the soldier's towards 'healthy' foods...it makes me laugh (and cry). That said, I have NO PROBLEM eating primally. I'm sure you will find an awesome salad bar, ample muscle meat, and fresh fruit. If they have a potato bar or baked potatoes--even better! Buy some sardines or canned oysters, gnaw the ends off chicken bones, seek out some liver. Don't drink calories, I know the military loves it's Gatoraid and Red Bull. IF every day or load up on eggs and bacon at breakfast--no need to eat the biscuits and gravy.

      If you want a good read for the trip, get The Perfect Health Diet...Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life hardcopy or e-copy available. Mark Sisson approved.
      Thanks otzi. I plan on having my wife send me plenty of sardines and tuna lol. The ships have salad bars, but unfortunately they get depleted fairly quickly until we make a port call or we replenish supplies while underway. I'd say that's one of the major downfalls to being on a ship. And it's always apparent when we are low on rations - the cooks become creative and throw together whatever they have to make a "meal" lol.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Primal Wayne View Post
        Thanks otzi. I plan on having my wife send me plenty of sardines and tuna lol. The ships have salad bars, but unfortunately they get depleted fairly quickly until we make a port call or we replenish supplies while underway. I'd say that's one of the major downfalls to being on a ship. And it's always apparent when we are low on rations - the cooks become creative and throw together whatever they have to make a "meal" lol.
        Just make a game of avoiding the "Big 3": Seed oil, Sugar, and Grain. I feel for ya! I remember moving pallets of rations destined for the Navy, lots of lasagna on that pallet!

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        • #5
          The General Mess Manual cookbook actually looks pretty good, they were cooking with real ingredients, whole foods that they had to prepare, no pre-cut, packaged foods, no flavor enhancers. Now the kitchen staff probably just uses box cutters to open the frozen food.
          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
            The General Mess Manual cookbook actually looks pretty good, they were cooking with real ingredients, whole foods that they had to prepare, no pre-cut, packaged foods, no flavor enhancers. Now the kitchen staff probably just uses box cutters to open the frozen food.
            You got that right. I was looking through a few of the recipes and they called for actual beef and pig "drippings." To the average person nowadays, that thought would make them cringe. Now they use "heart healthy" veggie oils. Blech!!!!!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Primal Wayne View Post
              Thanks otzi. I plan on having my wife send me plenty of sardines and tuna lol. The ships have salad bars, but unfortunately they get depleted fairly quickly until we make a port call or we replenish supplies while underway. I'd say that's one of the major downfalls to being on a ship. And it's always apparent when we are low on rations - the cooks become creative and throw together whatever they have to make a "meal" lol.
              Ahhh...I remember those days well. I recall one time we were in stormy weather over in the Med for three or four days right when we needed replenishing. We had hot dogs, pancakes and coffee for about 12 straight meals. Good times!

              USS Nashville
              1987-1991

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shep68 View Post
                Ahhh...I remember those days well. I recall one time we were in stormy weather over in the Med for three or four days right when we needed replenishing. We had hot dogs, pancakes and coffee for about 12 straight meals. Good times!

                USS Nashville
                1987-1991
                I'd have no idea what I'd do in that situation... LOL and thanks for your service!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Primal Wayne View Post
                  I'd have no idea what I'd do in that situation... LOL and thanks for your service!
                  You too. And good luck on the cruise!

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                  • #10
                    After hearing that the suicide rate in the military is currently higher than the death rate from combat, I have to wonder how much of it has to do with nutrition. The food is terrible, and there is no doubt that most of the current epidemic in the general populace with depression is from the nutrient-deprived SAD.

                    It's terribly distressing news.

                    Thanks for the fascinating link!
                    5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                    Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                    Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                    Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                    ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                      After hearing that the suicide rate in the military is currently higher than the death rate from combat, I have to wonder how much of it has to do with nutrition. The food is terrible, and there is no doubt that most of the current epidemic in the general populace with depression is from the nutrient-deprived SAD.

                      It's terribly distressing news.

                      Thanks for the fascinating link!
                      I work in an Army hospital. We are doing lots of studies on the correlation between low omega 3 levels and suicides--there is a direct link!

                      DOD Funds Study of Omega 3 Benefit in Reducing Suicides*|*Armed with Science

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                      • #12
                        Wow, it's AMAZING to hear they're actually on the right trail with this! Too bad the answer is an isolate in a questionable smoothie instead of real food, but it's at least the right track, instead of just counseling or ignoring it!
                        5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                        Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                        Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                        Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                        ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                          Wow, it's AMAZING to hear they're actually on the right trail with this! Too bad the answer is an isolate in a questionable smoothie instead of real food, but it's at least the right track, instead of just counseling or ignoring it!
                          I'm not sure if it said it in the article I linked, but when they analyzed the omega 3 in hundreds of suicide victims, nearly all were severely deficient. When they analyzed the omega 3 in people who were at very high risk of suicide, but didn't do it--they all had high levels of omega 3.

                          Yes, they really need to push getting Omega 3 from real food! I eat fish every day, oysters 3+ days a week...guess where I got that tip from...

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                          • #14
                            Wow that's pretty fascinating that there is a link between the two. It kills me that the government will feed us "crap" just to save $$. And it's even evident in our dining halls on base. Most of the crap they push in there is really crap. The only decent thing is the salad bar and the omelet station (that uses real eggs).

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                            • #15
                              The General Mess Manual cookbook actually looks pretty good

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