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  • Primal and the Big D: A Safe Place

    I know I am not the only Grok(ette) out there who is type II. I find this creates some special challenges. Come join me in creating a safe place to work out those challenges. Just a brief overview of my story:

    family history, me obese since appx 5 years of age, now 46.
    I was diagnosed in my thirties and just took meds w/out making a lot of changes. Started taking it more seriously last year and really made an effort to make changes, starting w/ cutting out all processed foods, then finding Wheat Belly which led me to Primal. Dove head first off the wagon somewhere around November and now the damn thing is going too fast for me to get all the way back in. Kinda dangling off the back with my legs kicking.


    Whats your story? Any challenges, successes, brilliant insights to share? Let's kick Big D in the ass for 2013.
    You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

    Age 48
    height 5'3
    SW 215 lbs
    CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
    LW 172 lbs
    GW 125ish lbs

  • #2
    Hi Val,

    Not a diabetic here, but you might enjoy this post from Mark if you haven't read it already: The Definitive Guide to Insulin, Blood Sugar & Type 2 Diabetes (and you’ll understand it) | Mark's Daily Apple

    The comments section may actually be of the most interest to you.
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #3
      Thanks Drumroll...that is very helpful!
      You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

      Age 48
      height 5'3
      SW 215 lbs
      CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
      LW 172 lbs
      GW 125ish lbs

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
        Thanks Drumroll...that is very helpful!
        Well, I figured that the comments and experiences of other MDA readers and primal eaters would be extremely relevant to the thread's (and your) stated topic.
        "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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        • #5
          I was diagnosed 8 years ago and almost immediately went low carb. I knew it would make me crazy to try to lose weight, so I made keeping my BG under 140 after meals my goal instead. Worked wonderfully--my A1c has generally been around 5.8. Eventually I tried Metformin, but it made me constipated (weird, I know) and didn't improve my A1c, even at a dose of 1000 mg twice a day. I don't think my carb level went down much when I went primal--I gave up the small amounts of sugar and grain I was eating but increased fruit. But while low carb initially worked beautifully for me, after menopause my weight started creeping up. Primal reversed that, and with the addition of iodine and related nutrients gave me back my energy.

          Do you take any medication beyond Metformin? If so you have a more complicated issue of balancing what you eat with your medication. Do you judge how you are doing mostly by A1c or mostly by fasting glucuose? My morning fasting usually runs over 110, but if my A1c is under 6 I don't worry about it too much. Do your triglycerides tend to run high? Mine do not--I'm lucky to have naturally high HDL (usually over 80) and low triglycerides (usually under 60).
          __________________________
          age 56, type 2 diabetes, swimmer
          low carb since 2006 thanks to Jenny, primal since Jan. 2012

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          • #6
            Good questions...I judge primarily by fasting glucose which is normally high. From what I understand that comes from the 'daw effect'. I have also been told that my numbers will be higher as I lose weight because of the consistent changes in my body. I use metformin only and my goal is to be off of it. The last couple of months have not been good at all as I said in the OP. I know I can't afford to give in like that! I do have high triglycerides though they have been coming down. That's where the wonderful genetics come in I am just now realizing the connection between thyroid and insulin. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid several years before type II. Seems like when Drs see that and look the family history there could be a more in depth conversation about the dangers.

            Originally posted by Pamsc View Post
            I was diagnosed 8 years ago and almost immediately went low carb. I knew it would make me crazy to try to lose weight, so I made keeping my BG under 140 after meals my goal instead. Worked wonderfully--my A1c has generally been around 5.8. Eventually I tried Metformin, but it made me constipated (weird, I know) and didn't improve my A1c, even at a dose of 1000 mg twice a day. I don't think my carb level went down much when I went primal--I gave up the small amounts of sugar and grain I was eating but increased fruit. But while low carb initially worked beautifully for me, after menopause my weight started creeping up. Primal reversed that, and with the addition of iodine and related nutrients gave me back my energy.

            Do you take any medication beyond Metformin? If so you have a more complicated issue of balancing what you eat with your medication. Do you judge how you are doing mostly by A1c or mostly by fasting glucuose? My morning fasting usually runs over 110, but if my A1c is under 6 I don't worry about it too much. Do your triglycerides tend to run high? Mine do not--I'm lucky to have naturally high HDL (usually over 80) and low triglycerides (usually under 60).
            You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

            Age 48
            height 5'3
            SW 215 lbs
            CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
            LW 172 lbs
            GW 125ish lbs

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            • #7
              I was diagnosed type 2 in november of 2010. A1c of 9.9 and a BG of 446. Shortly after I found low-carb, then primal after that. Fast-foreward to august 2012, and I had a fasting bg of 82 and A1c of 5.1. My doctor went so far as to consider diabetes reversed in my case. I credit primal/paleo eating in a ketogenic range to my recovery, and am now slowly adding starches back to my diet in the PWO window.

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              • #8
                Wow....that is amazing! What is the PWO window? What made you decide to add back starches?

                Thanks for sharing! That helps my willpower

                Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
                I was diagnosed type 2 in november of 2010. A1c of 9.9 and a BG of 446. Shortly after I found low-carb, then primal after that. Fast-foreward to august 2012, and I had a fasting bg of 82 and A1c of 5.1. My doctor went so far as to consider diabetes reversed in my case. I credit primal/paleo eating in a ketogenic range to my recovery, and am now slowly adding starches back to my diet in the PWO window.
                You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                Age 48
                height 5'3
                SW 215 lbs
                CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                LW 172 lbs
                GW 125ish lbs

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
                  Wow....that is amazing! What is the PWO window? What made you decide to add back starches?

                  Thanks for sharing! That helps my willpower
                  PWO = post work out. I am adding them back because the workouts I do(Krav Maga) are heavily glycogen dependent. It helps with explosiveness needed for fighting.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
                    Wow....that is amazing! What is the PWO window? What made you decide to add back starches?

                    Thanks for sharing! That helps my willpower
                    PWO = Post WorkOut

                    I can't speak for him, but post workout carbs can help replenish muscle glycogen and the insulin boost can help in body recovery slightly. I personally think the need for post workout carbs is greatly overstated, but to each their own.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Gotcha...I will keep that in mind when I get to that point. I have fibromyalgia and I have learned if I over exercise I am down for several days. And trust me over exercise in this case is not what is normal. Much more than 30 min easy hike/walks or very light resistance will get me. Drives me crazy! Just one more thing to ass kick

                      Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
                      PWO = post work out. I am adding them back because the workouts I do(Krav Maga) are heavily glycogen dependent. It helps with explosiveness needed for fighting.
                      You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                      Age 48
                      height 5'3
                      SW 215 lbs
                      CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                      LW 172 lbs
                      GW 125ish lbs

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by valmason01 View Post
                        Good questions...I judge primarily by fasting glucose which is normally high. From what I understand that comes from the 'daw effect'. I have also been told that my numbers will be higher as I lose weight because of the consistent changes in my body. I use metformin only and my goal is to be off of it. The last couple of months have not been good at all as I said in the OP. I know I can't afford to give in like that! I do have high triglycerides though they have been coming down. That's where the wonderful genetics come in I am just now realizing the connection between thyroid and insulin. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid several years before type II. Seems like when Drs see that and look the family history there could be a more in depth conversation about the dangers.
                        It can be hard to budge fasting glucose mostly because of that dawn effect. But if you do want to try a serious-self experiment I would recommend either keeping your daily carbs under 60 or test your bg after meals and adjust what you eat to keep it under 140 at 1 hour and under 120 at 2 hours. Do that for 3 months and then get both your A1c and your cholesterol tested. That should give you an A1c under 6 (even with no medication) and triglycerides under 80, unless your genetic pattern is unusually stubborn.
                        __________________________
                        age 56, type 2 diabetes, swimmer
                        low carb since 2006 thanks to Jenny, primal since Jan. 2012

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                        • #13
                          I will give that a try. That is pretty much where I was before I took a swan dive off the wagon. I had reached the pont where my bg was actually down a few points 1 hour after I ate, compared to just before I ate. Would prefer to get back there again

                          Originally posted by Pamsc View Post
                          It can be hard to budge fasting glucose mostly because of that dawn effect. But if you do want to try a serious-self experiment I would recommend either keeping your daily carbs under 60 or test your bg after meals and adjust what you eat to keep it under 140 at 1 hour and under 120 at 2 hours. Do that for 3 months and then get both your A1c and your cholesterol tested. That should give you an A1c under 6 (even with no medication) and triglycerides under 80, unless your genetic pattern is unusually stubborn.
                          You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                          Age 48
                          height 5'3
                          SW 215 lbs
                          CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                          LW 172 lbs
                          GW 125ish lbs

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            T1.5 here. My mom was diabetic when I was very young. I remember giving her her insulin shots when I was 4. Her family is diabetic as well (they're all T2).

                            I was diagnosed as T2 in fall 2002. Was put on an insulin pump in 2008, and was completely drug free by the end of 2010 when I discovered Primal. Primal helped me stay drug free from Jan 2011 to August of this year when I had to go back on for pregnancy. I should be drug free again by June at the latest.
                            --Trish (Bork)
                            TROPICAL TRADITIONS REFERRAL # 7625207
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                            • #15
                              Wow That is my goal. No meds. Do you mind sharing a little bit of what you did?

                              Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                              T1.5 here. My mom was diabetic when I was very young. I remember giving her her insulin shots when I was 4. Her family is diabetic as well (they're all T2).

                              I was diagnosed as T2 in fall 2002. Was put on an insulin pump in 2008, and was completely drug free by the end of 2010 when I discovered Primal. Primal helped me stay drug free from Jan 2011 to August of this year when I had to go back on for pregnancy. I should be drug free again by June at the latest.
                              You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                              Age 48
                              height 5'3
                              SW 215 lbs
                              CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                              LW 172 lbs
                              GW 125ish lbs

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