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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
    I'll use an extreme example (same principle, though)…
    Your point is well taken, and I am no fan of religion in general. But unlike your example, vegetarianism is not doing anybody harm, and no one is likely to "dye" (sic) from it. I just didn't want to see this thread go off the rails.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by cherylg28 View Post
      Your point is well taken, and I am no fan of religion in general. But unlike your example, vegetarianism is not doing anybody harm, and no one is likely to "dye" (sic) from it. I just didn't want to see this thread go off the rails.
      I agree. It is just that I have met people who have never considered the possibility that they could abandon religious practices if they don't make sense. I am happy to let it rest now.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
        I'll use an extreme example (same principle, though) to illustrate how silly your statement is...

        Just go away. "The question" does not need to be put out there. If you can't add anything constructive, just ignore and move on to the next thread.

        You SERIOUSLY think someone's going to read your little rant and say: "Ta da! I've decided to stop being traditional Hindu!" Of course not. Which is what makes you a jackass.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Damiana View Post
          FYI: Fage Greek yogurt contains 23g of protein per serving.
          Dairy is probably going to be your best bet for protein - yogurt, paneer, milk. And other sources as previously indicated. But I'd still strongly suggest B-12 and K-2 supplementation.

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          • #20
            Perhaps you could consider why your religion forbids certain foods and decide for yourself whether some of it is man made custom as opposed to having a spiritual purpose in line with your religion? Will eating certain foods actually hinder your soul, or is it more a cultural custom?

            I am not religious myself, but if you are already considering eggs, there may be other foods that won't contradict your religion if you consider the reasoning behind it - something for you to ponder, maybe?

            What about insects? They are high in protein. . .

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            • #21
              The only way to be close to primal as a vegetarian is to consume substantial amounts of legumes and dairy. The legumes, prepared in traditional ways, such as fermented doughs, provide the bulk of the protein while grass-fed dairy is the main source of fat soluble vitamins. Just avoid the toxic oils that seem to have invaded the modern Indian diet
              Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

              Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Huntress View Post
                What about insects? They are high in protein. . .
                I thought about that also, but if your religion discourages you from killing any living creature for food, maybe insects would also be off limits? I hope the OP comes back because I'd love to learn more.
                "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                B*tch-lite

                Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
                  Supersition: Noun. A widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief.

                  How does that not fit?
                  Because it assumes that EVERYTHING about the religion in question is unjustified. How would you feel if some suddenly came up to you and called your deepest held beliefs suddenly "unjustified?"

                  Religion goes beyond logic, it penetrates into the psyche, and you need to learn that perhaps openly insulting what is likely the ENTIRE foundation of someone's belief system and indeed perhaps even life, might not exactly be acceptable. In this case, you've essentially questioned the entire worth of someone's life.

                  Just because you can't see the logic behind someone's deeply held beliefs no reason to bash it.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #24
                    Checking the MDA archives: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-...-restrictions/

                    While not the main thrust of the article, scroll down about halfway through ituntil you get to the "I’m a vegetarian for ethical reasons. Is it possible to go Primal and not eat meat?" question and read from that point on. Not *every* recommendation is a perfect fit (for example he pushes seafood which doesn't work here) , but the general advice seems solid. A couple of high points, IMO:

                    A quality whey protein may also help with protein needs.
                    I would also look into eating insects...They’re also extremely eco-friendly, sporting the largest biomass of all terrestrial animals. Most hunter-gatherer societies with steady access to bugs utilize them as a useful source of calories. Why not us?
                    All that said, you can certainly be a far healthier vegan by implementing many Primal principles – grain, sugar, and vegetable oil avoidance, to name the main ones.
                    Quinoa is another high-protein pseudo-grain type thing worth considering. Though it contains saponins, which may have antinutrient qualities, they don’t appear to be on the same level as something like gluten. Whichever you eat, bone up on your traditional legume and grain preparation; if you’re gonna do it, do it right.
                    There's also an external link in the article which claims to be someone who is both Paleo and vegetarian.

                    Another MDA article, although pretty short is here: Dear Mark: Vegetarian Protein Possibilities | Mark's Daily Apple
                    Re-focusing on the Primal Lifestyle in 2012!

                    Starting: 221.0lb, 29.5% BF (1/9/2012)
                    Latest: 208.9, 26.1% BF (3/19/2012)

                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread35679.html

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                      Because it assumes that EVERYTHING about the religion in question is unjustified. How would you feel if some suddenly came up to you and called your deepest held beliefs suddenly "unjustified?"


                      Religion goes beyond logic, it penetrates into the psyche, and you need to learn that perhaps openly insulting what is likely the ENTIRE foundation of someone's belief system and indeed perhaps even life, might not exactly be acceptable. In this case, you've essentially questioned the entire worth of someone's life.

                      Just because you can't see the logic behind someone's deeply held beliefs no reason to bash it.
                      I really was ready to drop this. However, ....

                      1. There is no logic behind "deeply held beliefs". That is why they are called beliefs. If there was logic or evidence we would call them facts.

                      2. I don't have deeply held beliefs. I evaluate claims based on available evidence. For religious claims, there is no evidence, so it is unreasonable to "believe" any of it. Not only is there no evidence, many of the claims can't even be tested. They are so bad, they are not even wrong. I consider it the obligation of any humane person to openly insult religion. These superstitions have been causing pain and suffering to millions of people for thousands of years, and we are far enough along as a society that it needs to stop.

                      Without religious warrant, would we tolerate catholics marching through AIDS-riden Africa telling the poor and uneducated that using condoms will get them sent to hell? Would we tolerate Muslims burning down embassies and opposing free speech? Would we tolerate protestants trying to force the teaching of creationist nonsense on innocent children?


                      3. It makes be terribly sad that religion could be the foundation of someone's life. There is a wonderful world out there of deciding things for yourself, and not basing your life on bogus divine doctrine. If I can change one person's mind about this, then being a jackass about it will be worth it. I have already helped several people let go of religion, and I hope to help many more.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                        In this case, you've essentially questioned the entire worth of someone's life.
                        You are damn right I questioned it. I know the religious love imposing question-asking bans, but I love the ability to question anything.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
                          You are damn right I questioned it. I know the religious love imposing question-asking bans, but I love the ability to question anything.
                          You have the right to question it. But at least have the class to keep those questions to yourself. I'm not a fan of religion either, but I'm not going to berate someone's entire existence just because I disagree with them on something.
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                          • #28
                            The odds of convincing someone from a different culture, online no less, where you could be anything from a weirdo to a 10 year old, to change their belief system has got to be pretty close to zero.

                            I've been an atheist since 1988 and I have the same response of disgust to atheists who push their agenda as I do to anyone preaching religion.

                            To the OP, I hope you won't judge the whole community based on one person who feels the need to "save" you. Most of us have tried to be of some assistance. Peace.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                              You have the right to question it. But at least have the class to keep those questions to yourself.
                              That might the fatuous statement I have ever heard. Are you really questioning something if you are forced to refrain from presenting that question to anyone else? You are telling me to shut and be be respectful. My entire point is that religion does not deserve respect. I really was not trying to insult the original poster. I don't know anything about them. I was simply pointing out (in my first post), that letting go of rules imposed by religion should be considered as an option. I know that religion is essentially forced on people by culture and parental influence, so I don't fault individuals for believing it. I just hope they stop.

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                              • #30
                                Eat meat. Easy
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