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    I know this has been discussed but at least another study shows what I have always thought.

    Brain image study: Fructose may spur overeating | Yahoo! Health


    "This is your brain on sugar for real. Scientists have used imaging tests to show for the first time that fructose, a sugar that saturates the American diet, can trigger brain changes that may lead to overeating. After drinking a fructose beverage, the brain doesn't register the feeling of being full as it does when simple glucose is consumed, researchers found.

    It's a small study and does not prove that fructose or its relative, high-fructose corn syrup, can cause obesity, but experts say it adds evidence they may play a role. These sugars often are added to processed foods and beverages, and consumption has risen dramatically since the 1970s along with obesity. A third of U.S. children and teens and more than two-thirds of adults are obese or overweight."

  • #2
    Oh, b.s. Sugar and fruit do not cause overeating.

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    • #3
      It's a trigger for some people with broken satiety cues.
      F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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      • #4
        beat me to it.

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        • #5
          All sugars are not created equal. Not all fruits have the same ratios of fructose:glucose. Not all people react the same to any nutrient.

          For people still eating SAD and not reading labels, however, I would bet that they are getting too many sugars/fructose even if they don't know it. Almost every major brand of bread, crackers, tomato sauce, non-dairy creamer, and cereal has some HFCS in it. I specifically left out soda and dessert foods because I figure even SAD eaters have to know they contain unnecessary sugars.

          Since the 70s, HFCS has become ubiquitous in prepared foods and coincidentally (though perhaps not conclusive) the American population has gotten fat. Other factors of course, but eating and perceived-hunger are a huge part of the obesity problem and I can't discount added sugars as a part of the problem.
          "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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          • #6
            I think that there's a big difference between fructose taken in the form of fruit vs fruit juice.

            Don't drink your calories.

            Edit: Having read that article I think it's rubbish. It has so many different things to say and they aren't part of the same coherent arguement.

            If you want ammunition to have a go at fructose, watch Sugar: the bitter truth instead.
            Last edited by magicmerl; 01-02-2013, 03:12 PM.
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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            • #7
              For me personally, I find that fructose DOES make me binge. I have no control. It's funny because I am WAY less likely to do this with starchy carbs.

              And even of it DOESN'T make you binge, there are enough proven harmful effects of a high sugar load from fructose that I'm (just my personal opinion) still going to limit my intake. I'm not against fruit, but I'm not adopting the Ray Peat protocol or going to become a fruitatarian anytime soon.
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                For me personally, I find that fructose DOES make me binge. I have no control. It's funny because I am WAY less likely to do this with starchy carbs.
                Like bananas?
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                  Like bananas?
                  If we're talking starchy, I was thinking more like potatoes and sweet potatoes ect.

                  I still tend to eat a little more of them than I do relative to fats and proteins, but the effect is NOTHING compared to what fructose does to me. And don't ask me to explain it. I can't. I have no frikin' CLUE what the cause is, or if there is any science behind it all or what have you.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #10
                    Science deals in averages and trends.

                    You only have to deal with your body (and those of your kiddoes, if you have them).

                    Food scientists have known for years that added sugars cause increased compulsion to eat more. There's a reason commercial foods almost always have added sugars. The right mix of fat with those sugars is even better for food companies' bottom lines.

                    I do think most people struggle with sugar addiction to a certain extent. All of the fruititarians and high sugar "healthy" folks I know are thin but also have no muscle, are always sick, have chafing skin, stringy hair, depressed, etc. The low sugar non-sugar addicted folks I know tend to be the people I want around during the zombie apocalypse. Is this scientific? No. Neither group has enough people to track decently sized trends.

                    But I've done both and I know which diet makes me feel like a zombie and which one makes me feel able to fight zombies!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sarasue624 View Post
                      Food scientists have known for years that added sugars cause increased compulsion to eat more. There's a reason commercial foods almost always have added sugars. The right mix of fat with those sugars is even better for food companies' bottom lines.
                      Adding of salt seem to have the same effect for many people that will start binging when eating potato chips etc...
                      Last edited by Gorbag; 01-02-2013, 06:41 PM.
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        Adding of salt seem to have the same effect for many people that will start binging when eating potato chips etc...
                        Yep. Although even most potato chip, corn chip, pita chip, ect. brands also have a little bit of added sugars as well.
                        "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                        • #13
                          I know if I treat myself to a Mexican Coke (made with real sugar instead of HFCS) I feel satisfied after I finish it. If I drink a HFCS Coke then I will crave another one. However, I don't crave fruit or other starchy carbs. I believe that there is something about HFCS that is inherently evil. Looking at the obesity/HFCS trends, there is no doubt that people have been getting fatter and fatter since they introduced HFCS in the '70s-80s.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Primal Wayne View Post
                            I know if I treat myself to a Mexican Coke (made with real sugar instead of HFCS) I feel satisfied after I finish it. If I drink a HFCS Coke then I will crave another one. However, I don't crave fruit or other starchy carbs. I believe that there is something about HFCS that is inherently evil. Looking at the obesity/HFCS trends, there is no doubt that people have been getting fatter and fatter since they introduced HFCS in the '70s-80s.
                            Mexican coke is sucrose which still has a bit of fructose. Only slightly less than HFCS actually... HFCS is roughly 55% fructose and 45% glucose. Sucrose is 50-50. This was originally seen as good because fructose has a lower glycemic impact and thus HFCS had less of an insulin spike tagged on. But now we know about the hidden dangers of fructose...
                            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                            • #15
                              That was his point. He's saying that the extra 22% fructose does make it worse compared to sucrose.
                              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                              Griff's cholesterol primer
                              5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                              Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                              TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                              bloodorchid is always right

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