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  • #16
    Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
    My best suggestion for snackiness is morning protein. Bar none. At least 25gm, and move it up from there. When I hit 50gm breakfast protein, I, the Snack Queen, stopped wanting snacks, and have never wanted or eaten one in the 18 months since. Miracle.
    I'll pass this on to DH. I don't have a good grasp on what 25 or 50 gm of protein looks like so can you give an example of what you ate? DH gets up early and doesn't usually eat breakfast before he leaves for work so it may be hard for him to make something in the morning. I probably should get up and make him something but I can't bare to get up that early!

    Wine in moderation is allowed on GAPS. I just think it might be good to take a break for a while. I'm sort of doing it to support DH; he's a real chocoholic and if he can give that up I feel like I should give up something I like.
    Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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    • #17
      Here is what my 12 yo ate yesterday:

      Breakfast: 3 eggs, scrambled (3 eggs for breakfast are her daily breakfast - she has the opportunity to eat a quiet breakfast at her school, but I always provide all her food as she is SCD)

      Lunch: 2 cups of fat-rich calamari stew, 2 cups of green peas (her personal favorite), an additional 2 cups green salad, homemade vinaigrette, 8 pan-fried peeled potato wedges (I know, but this far in she can totally tolerate it)

      Snack at school: clean, no-added-sugar applesauce cup

      Dinner last night: 3 cups clam chowder (coconut milk, no corn, recipe adjusted by me from the traditional), cool water, a serving of smelts fried in tallow and olive oil

      And I think she snuck some of my dark chocolate.

      This kid is completely capable of downing 3 cups of tuna salad in one sitting plus the veggies I require of her (otherwise she wouldn't bother with them), or close to a pound of steak, or 8 salmon patties - ask me how I know this... And she is a beanpole. A couple of years ago she downed 27 shrimp in one sitting, went to bed happy, and slept like an angel.

      I haven't looked, but are 3 eggs enough protein to work your system (as I am so not a numbers gal)? Perhaps I should add a cup of homemade bone broth daily, like an adult's morning coffee. For me too, perhaps.
      I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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      • #18
        Reading your posts, MamaGrok and Crabbcakes I feel like the Dove in the nursery rhyme The Wren and the Dove:

        The Dove and the Wren

        The dove says coo, coo, what shall I do?
        I can scarce maintain two.
        Pooh, pooh! says the wren, I've got ten,
        And keep them all like gentlemen.

        So I always pay close attention to your comments.
        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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        • #19
          1 oz of meat = 1 egg = 7gm protein. So 25gm is about 3 eggs + a bit of bacon.

          I have a big craving problem and I personally needed 50gm (about 3 eggs & a full serving of meat like sausage or pork chop) to stop craving snacks. I need 65gm to stop having cravings altogether.

          I think part of it might be b/c of my recently diagnosed intestinal damage from wheat, leading to severe malabsorption - I'm not getting all thenutrient I go out of my way to eat. Part of it may be related - Ca is low b/c I'm not absorbing enough A, D, K2, & Mg. Low Calcium -> agouti issues -> increased NPY -> increased cravings (if I remember the chain right).

          If your daughter is eating a ton an still thin as a rail, you might want to check her freeT3 to be sure she's not hyperthyroid. Or check her fat malabsorption via a Metametrix GI Effects or Enterolabs test.


          I totally resisted the idea of cooking my breakfast, but it absolutely put an end to my snackiness & cravings. That was one thing that GAPS couldn't touch at all, for me. It was so worth it. But leftover meat does the same thing! (I've also had to get over my Kelloggs-induced ideas of what breakfast is like. My breakfast looks like dinner now, but that's what happens when you have to eat 65gm of meat/fish/eggs every morning!) I've learned to get over ideas that "I shouldn't have to cook for breakfast" or "Such-and-such isn't a breakfast food" or "Meat should be hot" if I want to get better. And oh, boy, have I ever gotten better!
          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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          • #20
            Oh, and, depending on your daughter's weight, 3 eggs may or may not be enough. It also depends on her propensity to have cravings. If she's sneaking food, they're pretty bad, and I think it will bring you some relief to know there's almost certainly an overwhelming urge with a physiological cause, rather than her just being a bad, deceitful person.

            So for some people, 3 eggs is plenty, and for some, if heavier or with worse cravings, it's not. Most do fine with less. I need a lot more.
            5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
            Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
            Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
            Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
            ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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            • #21
              Thanks so much MamaGrok! Looks like DH and I will have to put our heads together and come up with a plan. That is if he is truly motivated to stop snacking and loose some weight. I know it's up to him but he likes me to help him, by doing some research and by preparing some foods in advance. Since I'm a stay at home mom I have more time for those things. In the past he would have coffee with heavy cream before leaving for work and then have a substantial lunch of leftovers. I sometimes make egg/meat muffins and he'll take them for lunch, but he may need to eat something like that for breakfast. I suspect he needs to eat more at meals (he's 6' 2"). So do you also have lunch?

              I appreciate your answering my questions, it seems like your WOE may be an approach that would help DH. He and I have such different eating requirements and issues we are attempting to resolve it's unlikely we will be able to eat exactly the same way.
              Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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              • #22
                I got to the point where I no longer need or even desire lunch. It's very freeing not to have to worry about that extra meal every day! But it took a while to get there, and for a while, I couldn't go without b/c cravings came back a bit, and then after a while of realizing I really *have* to have 65gm *every* morning, now I don't need lunch anymore.
                5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                • #23
                  MamaGrok -
                  We have never had problems eating dinner for breakfast, or breakfast for dinner, or any such alternative arrangement. Food just is "food" at this house, no labels save the necessary titles for those with official diets, as in "wheat is not gluten-free". So a hot roast chicken dinner has, for example, been known to happen here at 9 am, just not every day.

                  I don't ever call anything "bad" here, but I know what you mean, so thank you. I am still solving Third's food issues (I call her Third on the MDA because this child is my third-born), and she gets the munchies sometimes just like a pothead, and will stim and obsess over potato chips and French fries and anything else even semi-snacky in appearance until we are ready to scream. Just in case you didn't know, my Third is also special-needs with the official label of "multiply disabled". Anyway, the potato thing is pretty much the only diversion Third has from her otherwise-orthodox SCD, and this summer I took those items off her plate after learning about o-3/o-6 ratios and canola oil/seed oils, etc from the Primal and replaced them with tallow and lard (I was already using bacon fat, evoo, and pan drippings - I was raised that way). And her speech ability just soared. Score one for Mark Sisson.

                  She weighs 90 pounds at exactly 5 feet height. You can't see her ribs, but she is definitely bean-poley.

                  Third had an endoscopy at about age 4, doing the biopsy for celiac disease. Hers came back neg, but with the remark that they found chronic inflammation - I had put her on the gluten-free diet already at this point. One year later I started the SCD because the g/f didn't solve everything. The peds GI did watch for fat absorption issues, but did not find anything to officially diagnose. Yet - this kid can suck down shitloads of pure fat (she CHEWS 500mg concentrated DHA softgel capsules when I give them to her) and not get sick, or develop diarrhea, or anything else; it is like her metabolism is off in this regard. She has had so many blood tests in her past that the phlebotomist had to, at one point, calculate her blood volume versus what the docs wanted to take - I am sure t3 is in there, I would have to call the doc for her last one. I will look into the Metametrics - never have gone that route.

                  Just so you know - thanks for all your advice!

                  Aaaaand, since you are on my alcohol thread, perhaps I should start tomorrow morning with a big ole whack of protein...
                  I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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                  • #24
                    Sounds like you're definitely on the right track putting her on a GAPS/SCD type healing diet. There's something that all her symptoms point to, but I can't quite put my finger on it. It might be worth a consultation with an expert, like a GAPS practitioner, or Jack Kruse, or someone else who is very experienced at getting to the bottom of difficult cases and looking big picture at the whole thing.

                    Her cravings are ridiculously familiar to me. I know what she's going through. The body is screaming - FEED ME THAT STUFF!! - and you have to ignore it constantly, and you have to put all your energy into ignoring it, and if you stop for just a moment, WHAM you realize you've just eaten a bunch of crap.

                    For me, fat malabsorption has been a crucial part of the picture. It's why I crave more food; it's why my teeth hurt & I had kidney stones (calcium wasn't going where it should b/c I wasn't absorbing all that beautiful Kerrygold!); it's why I had IBS for over a year. It's why I couldn't lose weight, apparently! It may or may not play a part for her.

                    I hope you have every success with what you're doing! She's blessed to have a mother like you.
                    5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                    Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                    Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                    Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                    ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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