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    I hesitated to post a thread about this because I feel like these forums have been overrun with "fad" diets and hacks lately--and because it's honestly so bizarre-sounding that I feel a little silly admitting it--but my success on the Shangri-La Diet has been such that I felt I should share. I've had serious body fat setpoint issues since, oh, college, I guess--six years--and after watching my setpoint slowly creep up throughout my 20s with absolutely NOTHING making any difference, I'm finally losing weight steadily. I've lost 13lb and it's still coming off like clockwork. Nothing else in my diet or exercise regimes changed, and I've experienced no strength losses (I've continued to make gains, actually).

    I use refined coconut oil, 2tbsp/day. I was using unrefined at first but the flavor was too strong.

    Has anyone else done the SLD, and had success? I just felt like I should spread the word, because I know there are some other setpoint-challenged people on these forums, and this has been a big breakthrough for me.

  • #2
    I haven't heard about it. Do you have a link?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by zoebird View Post
      I haven't heard about it. Do you have a link?
      It was new to me too...

      The Shangri-La Diet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      The Shangri-La Diet

      Seth Roberts and The Shangri-La Diet
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • #4
        It's based on the concept that food-reward signals in the brain affect how hungry you are. By consuming flavorless calories in the form of oil, you achieve appetite suppression without actually causing your body to think you're eating less calories, and your body starts to let go of fat, changing your setpoint. There's a much better explanation on Seth Roberts' blog. I haven't read the book, but I hear it's an easy and informative read.

        For people who have been able to lose fat through other means, it's probably not that useful, but for anyone who's been stuck at a setpoint or plateau that IF hasn't broken, I'd say it's worth a look. It's worked wonders for me where literally nothing else did.

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        • #5
          I find this very interesting and will look into it. I've been primal for over two years and it's never helped me lose weight unfortunately. I've stayed primal because I believe it's the best long term strategy but willing to investigate other ideas as well.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
            It's based on the concept that food-reward signals in the brain affect how hungry you are. By consuming flavorless calories in the form of oil, you achieve appetite suppression without actually causing your body to think you're eating less calories, and your body starts to let go of fat, changing your setpoint. There's a much better explanation on Seth Roberts' blog. I haven't read the book, but I hear it's an easy and informative read.

            For people who have been able to lose fat through other means, it's probably not that useful, but for anyone who's been stuck at a setpoint or plateau that IF hasn't broken, I'd say it's worth a look. It's worked wonders for me where literally nothing else did.
            Can you give us a brief rundown on what kind of foods and how much you eat?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
              By consuming flavorless calories.
              Deal breaker for me right there. Life's too short not to enjoy delicious food.
              --Trish (Bork)
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              • #8
                Looks to be safe, and easy.
                I'm actually pretty happy where I'm at, but I would try it if I wasn't.

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                • #9
                  Intersting idea, most truly primal fats arn't flavourless but yummy, like coconut oil and butter, and I personally wouldn't go down the insulin spiking route of fructose in water, to much evidence to suggest that increased insulin is bad in so many ways.

                  Still I'd be up for eating a couple of spoons of coconut oil a day if as an N=1, maybe instead of lunch once the flavour of my morning coffee has gone
                  You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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                  • #10
                    Found this on the Wikipedia link above...

                    Based on this research, he developed a new theory of weight control – eating foods with a low glycemic index and eating sushi – on which he lost forty pounds.
                    The sushi part ties directly with the success of the potato diet--resistant starch.

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                    • #11
                      unless by "sushi" he means raw fish, rather than rice.
                      Female, age 51, 5' 9"
                      SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

                      Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
                      2013 goals are to get fit and strong!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jojohaligo View Post
                        unless by "sushi" he means raw fish, rather than rice.
                        Hmmm, you could be right. I always think of sushi as raw fish and cold rice.

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                        • #13
                          Dr. Bork Bork, to clarify, you're not eating only flavorless calories. You're eating normally, but also eating 1-3 tbsp of flavorless oil (I use coconut oil) in between meals, like a supplement. Fear not, I still eat my usual wide variety of delicious primal goodies . I just eat much less than I used to.

                          A rundown of my food intake would be: I eat very strictly 80/20 primal, with the 20% coming from white rice (sushi), corn tortillas on tacos (I live in Texas), and the occasional red wine or ice cream. My diet is very typical primal fare: pastured meats, sweet potatoes, tons of greens and vegetables (I eat kale, collards and broccoli pretty much every day), lots of fish and avocado, animal fats, coconut milk, occasional fruit like berries. I do eat dairy, in the form of greek yogurt, cottage cheese, and fancy aged cheese. I found that my athletic pursuits and general state of mind are better when I consume a slightly higher carb level than the typical MDAer, so I eat 100-150g carbs a day in the form of sweet potatoes, white rice, and vegetables.

                          The thing I like about the SLD is that it's changed nothing about my eating habits besides the amounts/portions. I still eat all the same stuff, I still have my occasional cheats, etc., I'm just satisfied by half as much food as I used to be. It's both the simplest and most effective thing I've ever done. The other nice thing about it is that it's really no big deal to test it out if you want to experiment. A couple tbsp of coconut oil is not gonna hurt you. (Unless you take all the oil at once in one dose, which I did once and spent some quality time in the bathroom within 20mins.)

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                          • #14
                            How do you choke down the coconut oil?
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #15
                              I wonder if you could get the same effects just by adding more fat to your regular meals, like with a fatty sauce, or tweaking your macros to be higher fat? Or does it have to be straight bland oil to work?

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