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  • Question for people who have read the book--do you know if it's a big deal if you don't take the oil for a day or two?
    Just speaking from my experience, I recently went 3 days without taking the oil due to being super busy at an event, and I just maintained, didn't gain anything.

    I have been bracing myself psychologically all day to ingest a spoonful of coconut oil. I just can't do it. I really want to but I can't. Can I dilute it in water or something?
    I've melted the oil in a little bit of hot water and knocked it back. Works great. Just make sure everything's flavorless.

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    • Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
      I've melted the oil in a little bit of hot water and knocked it back. Works great. Just make sure everything's flavorless.
      I have organic coconut oil at home, which tastes and smells very coconutty. But based on what I managed to choke back today (not much), when I plug my nose I can neither smell nor taste it. Will this work? I don't want to buy a new jar of refined oil while I have this one sitting in my cupboard.

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      • Originally posted by unchatenfrance View Post
        I have organic coconut oil at home, which tastes and smells very coconutty. But based on what I managed to choke back today (not much), when I plug my nose I can neither smell nor taste it. Will this work? I don't want to buy a new jar of refined oil while I have this one sitting in my cupboard.
        I started with Walnut Oil, but the taste is too strong for me and leaves a nasty after taste. I moved to Refined Coconut Oil (comes in a jar), and it seems to be fairly odourless. I scoop one large tablespoon into a little egg cup and microwave it for exactly 1 minute. Then I throw back the coconut oil like a glass of Tequila and chase it with a glass of water. Sometimes I plug my nose and sometimes I don't. There's no flavour from the coconut so I figure I'm okay. I wipe any remnants off my lips with a paper towel and done -- voila! I haven't weighed myself today and I won't until Monday, but I have come to recognize weigh loss results in myself and I'm feeling them today. My belly fat seems to get wiggly or loose and that's when I know I'm mobilizing fat stores. My belly is worst than a bowl of jello, so I believe this is working for me. The other additional factor for me is I have stopped all wine consumption. I used to enjoy a glass at night with the hubster, but am foregoing it for now. I am also eating one potato with my dinner every night as per Otzi's suggestion and this seems to be working well for me. I'm nodding off to sleep by 7:30 - 8pm and I'm rolling with it. I go to bed no later than 8pm and sleep LIKE THE DEAD until 6 am. I usually wake up for 2-3 hours during the night but NOT since taking coconut oil 2 x per day and having a potato for dinner. Anyway, just sharing a few of my personal experiences.

        As one further aside, I read something interesting today: I read the first long success story on the "Perfect Health Diet" site and I found it interesting to note that the fellow who lost 100 lbs or so over 7 months also took Coconut Oil shots during the day. He explained that it helped to curb his appetite and prevented him from snacking. It's interesting to note how different people utilize these little 'weight loss helpers' and perhaps he had no idea he was doing part "Shandrala Diet". It's nice to know that people are trying different strategies in the loss of weight and the pursuit of better health.

        /Lu
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        F, 48, 5'10"
        Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
        Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

        Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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        • I wonder if mixing oils would work? What I mean is, I have been taking CO and like the health benefits associated with it, but the fact that it is the most problematic oil worries me a bit since I'm not sure it's working for me yet. I wonder what taking one tbsp of CO a day and one tbsp of extra light olive oil later in the day would do?

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          • Mixing oils is no problem, lots of folks have done it. Just monitor your n=1 experiment to see the effect of changing oils. And don't change too often - make a change and give it a couple of weeks to assess the effectiveness.

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            • Well, I bounced back up 1.8 lbs. today. I'm still going to continue and see what happens, but at this point I seem to be following the same pattern I always do. Get to the bottom of my stuck range and instantly bounce back up again. I have been starving the last two days and did eat more but not more than my maintenance should be. My weekly caloric average didn't change. I'm continuing on but wanted to report.
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              • Well, I blew it out of the park last night with a dinner out with friends at a pub. For the day, I consumed 2000 calories (I can't believe I ate that much). At the pub, I enjoyed a caesar salad and a sheppard's pie. It's the potato that can really add calories to your day. I topped the night off with too much red wine and a slice of pecan pie. No guilt here because I never eat this much. I believe my resistance to having a dessert was lowered due to my red wine consumption. Anyway, today, I'm back on schedule and committed to eliminating wine/alcohol for the forseeable future.

                As an aside, I read a few interesting postings on the Shangrala Diet forum. I read a posting by a lady who nose plugs for about 80% of her meals. So, she not only consumes the 2xdaily oil, but she nose plugs during her lunch and dinner. She does this for about a week at a time, and then she will eat meals, 'un-nose-plugged'. She said that this technique led to faster weight loss.

                Has anyone on this forum tried this technique, of coupling oil 2x per day with nose-plugged meals? I'm always fascinated by these types of experiments. Another question I have is: Would smokers realize the same benefit of weight loss, due to the fact that smokers have a 'de-sensitized' ability to smell?

                /Lu
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                F, 48, 5'10"
                Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                • Louisa655, I did the same thing last night! I went out with friends for my birthday and ended up having a big 8oz steak with shallot butter and roasted sweet potato spears, and a glass of wine. All told it was probably 1000 calories, bringing my daily total to around 1800, sans oil. BIG DAY. Heh. However, I've done big "refeed" days before on SLD, and I find that it doesn't really make me gain. I just hop back on the oil wagon the next day and everything keeps going the way it should. At most, I've gained maybe half a pound or just maintained from a refeed day.

                  I'm going to switch up my oil starting today, using ELOO. I ran out of EVCO yesterday and decided I wanted to try something new. We'll see if it has any different effect.

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                  • Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
                    Louisa655, I did the same thing last night! I went out with friends for my birthday and ended up having a big 8oz steak with shallot butter and roasted sweet potato spears, and a glass of wine. All told it was probably 1000 calories, bringing my daily total to around 1800, sans oil. BIG DAY. Heh. However, I've done big "refeed" days before on SLD, and I find that it doesn't really make me gain. I just hop back on the oil wagon the next day and everything keeps going the way it should. At most, I've gained maybe half a pound or just maintained from a refeed day.

                    I'm going to switch up my oil starting today, using ELOO. I ran out of EVCO yesterday and decided I wanted to try something new. We'll see if it has any different effect.
                    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HEATSEEKER!

                    Well, you have a good attitude about it all. I don't get my knickers in a knot about some days eating like this. I RARELY eat that much and the potato, wine and pecan pie (it was amazing), pushed me into the high numbers. In any event, I am committed to eliminating wine and seeing if I can really drop enough weight to get into size 6's and 8's. It's this tummy fat crap that I hate so much. It just looks like shit and I feel like the lady who's approaching middle-age (ahhh, gag me).

                    Anyway, I feel GREAT on this oil protocol so I am definitely continuing with it. I have found that taking the oil eliminates any/all cravings --- even eliminates wants/desires for a glass of red wine. Hubster can have a glass next to me in the evenings, and I just don't want any. Quite interesting. I'll see how the next week goes and report in with my charts.

                    I'm not sure how to eat an entire meal with a nose plug on.....it's kind of like trying to eat food with a really bad head cold.

                    /Lu
                    Last edited by Louisa655; 01-26-2013, 01:09 PM.
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                    F, 48, 5'10"
                    Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                    Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                    Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                    • I just watched the documentary "Gasland" which had two women who had lost their sense of smell and taste from the pollution. I found it interesting that they were both overweight. They were essentially being poisoned though, so I can see their bodies holding on to fat for protective reasons.

                      On this same note I know a man that lost his sense of smell/taste and has very low body fat. He was never overweight though and has a heavy manual labor job. I do find it interesting to watch him eat fast food and cookies though. If you can't taste it, I find it odd not to make other choices.

                      There is also the case of my mother. For unknown reasons she has lost most of her sense of smell/taste. I still find her eating treats (again, WHY?) and she hasn't lost any weight since this happened (about 7 years ago). She isn't largely overweight but could probably lose 15-20 pounds to be in the super fit category.

                      I don't know what to make of these people vs. the SLD.
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                      • Well, I think for me, it still requires a constant choice to cut portions and not put junk food in my body. SLD just makes that easier to do. If your habit is junk food, and you don't care to get healthier, lack of smell/taste is probably not going to break the habit.

                        I honestly believe that breaking out of the SAD prison is all about rewiring your brain to fundamentally change what it considers to be food. I don't eat McDonald's or Oreos because I do not consider them food. A fudge brownie made with natural and organic ingredients in my own kitchen, with 80% extra dark chocolate chips? THAT is food. It may be junk food, but it's food. Whereas a Cheeto is not made of food, it's made of weird chemicals and fillers and stuff I can't pronounce, so it's not food. If your brain considers processed, chemical-ridden junk to be food, and you have no reason or motivation to change your ways, you're going to keep on eating as you always have.

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                        • I wanted to share my experiment as its a bit different because I'm not nose plugging or using straight oil. Over the holidays I went from 146-152. I started PB on 1/1/13. I had been away from my own kitchen for three weeks and ate far more carbs in flour and sugar form than I'm used to. I expected to drop those pounds in the first two weeks home when going back to low carb. I was horrified when they didn't. I don't eat any junk food.

                          Last Monday woke up at 151.6. I had been reading this forum as well as Eat Moar Fat and decided to give it a try. I changed MFP macros to 70/10/20 f/c/p. my six days have actually been 66/16/18. A bit low on protein. My calorie average has been close to 1500 which is higher than my general range of 1200- 1300. I did walk closer to 6 miles a day instead of 3.

                          I started each day with coffee and half and half and two Tbsp of organic coconut butter. I had another Tbsp mid morning. I am a breakfast eater but pushed that meal closer to 11am, making it brunch of meat and fat. Dinner was a BAS an a touch of protein with a fat dessert of 2T of cream cheese. Friday night I had a cup of organic oven roasted taters with aioli on them. After walking 3 separate 5k's that day, taters were the only thing that sounded god at the food truck event. They were heavenly!

                          My results are Monday morning 151.6. Sunday morning 147.4. I have never shed this much weight in a week, enjoying potatoes one night and melon another day at a work event. I just ate more fat to adjust my daily macros.

                          I will continue with the coconut butter. I got a fresh jar at whole foods yesterday. I don't know if I would have better results with nose pinching but I'm happy with today's results! My low weight in 2012 was 142-144. At 5'4, I would like to get into the 130's.

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                          • I'm up again. Almost back to where I started. Why won't this body let go???? As soon as I go down I bounce off the bottom and go straight back up. My appetite soars too, which is how the weight goes back on. I'm not eating bad foods and I'm still eating under maintenance when looking at the weekly average.
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                            • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                              I'm up again. Almost back to where I started. Why won't this body let go???? As soon as I go down I bounce off the bottom and go straight back up. My appetite soars too, which is how the weight goes back on. I'm not eating bad foods and I'm still eating under maintenance when looking at the weekly average.
                              Hormonal? Do you weigh your food? I'm guilty sometimes of 'guesstimating' on # of ounces of protein etc etc. Would it be helpful for a week or two to be completely anal and weight EVERYTHING on an electronic scale to ensure that you are not over-estimating? What about walking -- are you engaging in long walks? I'll be interested to see what my scale says tomorrow at work --- since I haven't weighed since last Thursday. I don't feel as though I've lost any, but we'll see.

                              I've been consistently having 2 Tbsp's of oil per day and eating two meals a day. No snacking -- no wine --- no junk -- no nuts. I'm generally pretty good at feeling whether the fat is sliding off or not, and I don't feel it is. But I've made the decision to give this oil thing a good month or so and we'll see what happens.

                              I also have this theory that our bodies are holding onto some fat in this cold climate (I'm up in Canada). I haven't even been out walking over the past two weeks because it has been very cold (-10 - -24). Once spring weather arrives, I'll be out walking and cycling as I always am.

                              But darn, the plateaus are frustrating, aren't they?!!@@@!!!
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                              F, 48, 5'10"
                              Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                              Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                              Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                              • Louisa,

                                I've been very anal about weighing and logging over many years now. I actually find that when I go back to weighing for a bit, just to check my accuracy I have always logged in more food than I was actually eating. I like to round up so that I'm not accidentally eating more than I mean to.

                                I have have a few higher calorie days before the weight gain due to ravenous hunger. I suppose I am right around ovulation. My frustration is that if my maintenance is supposed to be around 1800 and my average intake is 1600 I should lose. However that isn't what happens. I gain at 1600, maintain at 1200-1400 and lose (for no longer than 2 weeks) at 1000-1200. The low calories always makes me get so hungry that I will overeat and regain. By overeat I mean that for a few days I might eat in the 1800-2000 calorie range before dropping back down. My weekly average though does not go above 1600 lately and before SLD 1400 would be my average on a high calorie week but I tried to keep it at 1200-1300.

                                Walking. Yes, that would be good. Unfortunately I just don't have the time that would take, and the icy roads don't tempt me either. I'm a homeschooling mother who cooks three meals a day from scratch. I rely on weights and kettle bell swings for fitness that takes way less time. I know the walking would be very helpful though, you are right about that.
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