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  • #31
    But... hasn't it been pretty clearly proven via blue zones that one of the main secrets to health and longevity is actually living at a caloric deficit (fasting or IF for autophagy to occur can replace this chronic low cal state)and mostly avoiding sugars, exactly the opposite of keeping the metabolism revved up and "hot" all day.


    The only real thing ever in dispute is how much meat/fat should be consumed, and that varied with the blue zone being referenced, such as Okinawa where there are conflicting reports about the amount of fatty pork and the use of goats milk. And while people debate that one place into the ground... there are other places with men and women who live nearly as long and healthy on hearty portions of mutton and cheese. Okinawa and LomaLinda-vegheadland aren't the only 'blue zones'.

    And what is this business about wanting a digestive system without 'nasty bacteria'... those bacteria are not nasty! They are critical to your survival as a human being. Jeeeeeezus. None of us are alone in this endeavor of life. It happens to be a group project. Appreciate the little critters.
    Last edited by cori93437; 01-01-2013, 12:48 AM.
    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
      But... hasn't it been pretty clearly proven via blue zones that one of the main secrets to health and longevity is actually living at a caloric deficit (fasting or IF for autophagy to occur can replace this chronic low cal state)and mostly avoiding sugars, exactly the opposite of keeping the metabolism revved up and "hot" all day.
      If you ready post right before yours, I agree with this statement you've made but in a roundabout way. I think that reving up your metabolism might have some good effects, but it would also increase the growth of things like cancer, bad bacteria, and yeasts as well.

      This is why I think that things like fasting are so effective. They kill off the bad stuff that might be doing a lot of harm to your body. For me, I'll keep my fasting over the risk of letting the bad stuff go to town on my body.
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
        hello, sir. or madam. i couldn't help but notice the title you have on your reply, so i decided to stop by and ask how old you were
        Originally posted by katemary View Post
        Damn admin removing the evidence!
        Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
        Yea but we all know it was there....I wonder if it was a sock-puppet.
        Dangit, my internet was out for a couple of days and I missed all the fun! If it was bad enough to get 86ed by admin over a holiday, musta been a doozy.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Yep, when you, me, Drumroll, and Otzi all agree, I would generally watch out for flying pigs but this gimmick is just too ridiculous.

          Having a high body temp and a high pulse rate at rest serves no function. It's like sitting there at a stoplight going VROOM, VROOM on the gas pedal. You're not going anywhere any faster. Just putting lots of wear and tear on the engine.

          But if Danny Roddy tells balding men it will make their hair grow back, they will buy just about any nonsense.
          Actually, Ray Peat, who has been researching nutrition, biology, hormones & health since 1968, says a pulse under 75 correlates with being less intelligent and less healthy.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
            Actually, Ray Peat, who has been spouting unscientific nonsense about nutrition, biology, hormones & health since 1968, says a pulse under 75 correlates with being less intelligent and less healthy.
            FTFY.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
              Actually, Ray Peat, who has been researching nutrition, biology, hormones & health since 1968, says a pulse under 75 correlates with being less intelligent and less healthy.
              Hmmm... I know a few PhDs and even an MD who would debate that one if you know what I mean...
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • #37
                Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                Actually, Ray Peat, who has been researching nutrition, biology, hormones & health since 1968, says a pulse under 75 correlates with being less intelligent and less healthy.
                Would LOVE to see the statistical epidemiological juggling act you would have to pull off to prove this.....

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                  Would LOVE to see the statistical epidemiological juggling act you would have to pull off to prove this.....
                  There might actually be some sort of a correlation to overall IQ (doubtful but even if there is), but having worked with people who have severe developmental disabilities, I've learned that a low IQ does not preclude the ability to learn or developing intelligence later in life. I know more than a handful of individuals with Down Syndrome who are extremely low of IQ, but savants in their own right.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                    There might actually be some sort of a correlation to overall IQ (doubtful but even if there is), but having worked with people who have severe developmental disabilities, I've learned that a low IQ does not preclude the ability to learn or developing intelligence later in life. I know more than a handful of individuals with Down Syndrome who are extremely low of IQ, but savants in their own right.
                    Absolute truth. High IQ is basically a fast and efficient processing ability. It doesn't equate to total intelligence. It can be a good INDICATOR (especially when grouped in tens, rather than units), but never spot-on. For true intelligence, you need processing ability, but also high levels of creativity (or a low-latent-inhibition, if you want to search the scientific analysis), emotional stability, motivation and low levels of procastination/ability to get distracted.
                    Someone with an IQ of 140 may be unimaginative, unstable and an incorrigible procastinator, making their overall intelligence (and their impact on the world) lower than that of someone with an IQ of 110 who's more creative and motivated.

                    Sadly we don't yet have a test to measure overall intelligence, so we use IQ (processing power) and assorted tests to try and work out who's best suited to something (a job, a school, a test...).

                    And this isn't me justifying a low IQ, btw. Mine is 126-132 (lowest and highest scores) and I know there are people out there with IQs of 100 who are better at maths, less likely to procastinate...etc, which could make some of them have a much higher overall intelligence!
                    --
                    Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

                    --
                    I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
                    I'd apologize, but...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kochin View Post
                      And this isn't me justifying a low IQ, btw. Mine is 126-132 ...
                      Be careful not to exercise too much, you may lower your heart rate and your IQ will go down...that's why all the high school jocks were dumb...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        FTFY.
                        You don't agree with him, so you call his theories nonsense despite everything being backed up in a scientific context? I don't believe you have any right to criticize anything considering the fact you've linked Lustig's video at least 3 times. The person who bases his entire theory on straw mans(and is even wrong about them to boot) and cites his youtube video hits as a way to refute criticisms of his theory. Talk about unscientific nonsense.

                        I suggest you read this: The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog

                        in which Lustig replies and is turned into a laughing stock by nearly everyone.

                        It's not really difficult to link metabolism with intelligence and longevity given the opposing relationship of lactic acid and carbon dioxide. Efficient respiring cells continuously give large amounts of energy as ATP along with co2 from oxidative metabolism.

                        Bohr effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                        In low metabolism, lactic acid is produced instead of co2. Overproduction of lactic acid causes hypoxia, given that aging, intelligence health are pretty much in direct relationship with the oxygen your cells are getting it's not much of a leap.

                        "The brain has a high rate of oxidative metabolism, and so it forms a very large proportion of the carbon dioxide produced by an organism. It also governs, to a great extent, the metabolism of other tissues, including their consumption of oxygen and production of carbon dioxide or lactic acid. Within a particular species, the rate of oxygen consumption increases in proportion to brain size, rather than body weight. Between very different species, the role of the brain in metabolism is even more obvious, since the resting metabolic rate corresponds to the size of the brain. For example, a cat's brain is about the size of a crocodile's, and their oxygen consumption at rest is similar, despite their tremendous difference in body size."
                        Make America Great Again

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                        • #42
                          I'll take being dumb over burning all my cell divisions early and dying sooner. Shouldn't you be hunkered down in a corner with a mirror and razor snorting confectioner's powdered sugar until you pass out?
                          Crohn's, doing SCD

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                          • #43
                            Lol Knife....

                            Anyhow the point is it isn't one little logical leap we are talking. It takes several moderate leaps to even get to this stage and make that last leap.....by this point its no little hop skip and a jump. Its more like Evel Knievel over the grand canyon.

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                            • #44
                              There is such a thing as cellular energy surpluses. Rate of living theory is idiotic.
                              Make America Great Again

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                                I'll take being dumb over burning all my cell divisions early and dying sooner. Shouldn't you be hunkered down in a corner with a mirror and razor snorting confectioner's powdered sugar until you pass out?
                                Says the guy who is terrified of pizza delivery boys...

                                Also hilarious since Derps last post was speaking specifically to people who like you who are prematurely aging themselves via diet.

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