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  • #46
    Originally posted by Owly View Post
    almost anyone will agree with you that a sweet potato is healthier than bread.
    Oh, if people were only this smart...

    I'm not sure if people think of the super-sugary sweet potato casseroles, or what, but I've actually had people tell me sweet potatoes are processed and loaded with sugar.

    I've had people argue with me that beans have more protein than salmon and more fiber than veggies.

    I have a raw vegan* friend who posts things about figs, spinach, romaine and kale being high protein foods. Sure, those are all pretty good foods, but high protein? no...

    Knifegill said it well earlier this year:
    They ask, I tell them, and they're sure it would never work for them. It doesn't seem to ultimately matter how the information is presented. Next time I think it'll go like this:
    Well, I went to mount Olympus and duct taped two unicorns together to double their magic, and rode their magic bodies for forty days and forty nights. When I got off, I looked like this. It's great!



    *I actually have very little issue with RAW vegan - no soy, no wheat, only soaked legumes - I can eat almost all the stuff at their house guilt free, I just need to supplement protein (and sometimes add a few spoonfuls of the coconut oil they keep in the kitchen!). I essentially eat like a raw vegan PLUS well-sourced meat, fish, eggs, and occasional dairy (and I don't do the long-process substitute foods like cashew cheese, etc)

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    • #47
      I typically just say I am a natural, unprocessed eater and leave it at that. Most people don't really realize what that entails but if bread or something comes up and I decline and they wonder why .. I just say it falls into the unnatural category and go from there based on their interest. I also often use the phrase "nutrient dense" eater which naturally excludes processed foods entirely. I refrain from saying paleo as labeling something makes it sound lame.. but if they ask I say it could fall in that ballpark and acknowledge it.
      Last edited by statikcat; 12-28-2012, 09:35 AM.

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      • #48
        Maybe we should all move to the same place. Take over an area, preferably one near the ocean. The Keys perhaps?

        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
        Hah, that would be nice... I've never actually met someone who was a "practicing" paleo and/or primal eater to begin with.
        You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

        Age 48
        height 5'3
        SW 215 lbs
        CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
        LW 172 lbs
        GW 125ish lbs

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        • #49
          Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
          Oh, if people were only this smart...

          I'm not sure if people think of the super-sugary sweet potato casseroles, or what, but I've actually had people tell me sweet potatoes are processed and loaded with sugar.

          I've had people argue with me that beans have more protein than salmon and more fiber than veggies.

          I have a raw vegan* friend who posts things about figs, spinach, romaine and kale being high protein foods. Sure, those are all pretty good foods, but high protein? no...
          Maybe it's because sweet potato casserole is not very common where I live--most people I know eat them baked or mashed, or they have them as fries (so usually they see the fried part as the bad bit, not the potato itself) or in sweet potato pie (again, they see the pie as the problem, much like pumpkin). If you eat baked sweet potatoes and buy them at your grocery store, it's pretty easy to realize that they're not a processed food. Sweet potato casserole is more of an American thing. It's hard to even find canned sweet potato here. I know of just one brand, and it's only carried at the organic grocery store.

          Calorie for calorie, some veggies are technically high protein foods. The problem is that nobody is going to be able to eat enough broccoli or spinach to meet their protein needs, and there are issues with amino acid profiles and bio-availability of plant proteins. So it's a bit misleading for someone to claim they're high protein since you're not going to get the same thing out of them as you will a steak or even from quinoa.
          “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

          Owly's Journal

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
            Answers vary by audience. Last time an obese nurse gawked at me for eating nothing but ham at the free food event, I said, "This is how I LOST 50 pounds.". Last time I turned down some free candy, I just said it gives me huge boils and that's no fun, and that led to how bread makes my joints hurt. People honor decisions geared toward avoiding pain or ugliness, but not in pursuit of optimizing health. It's VERY weird.
            THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            If you're allergic to particular foods or particular foods make you feel gross, people will go out of their way to help you avoid them, well, MOST people. But once you mention optimizing health or, worse, weight loss, then you've threatened them somehow and they feel the need to pressure you to eat crap. It's just the way most humans are I guess. Ah well...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JoPaleo View Post
              THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              If you're allergic to particular foods or particular foods make you feel gross, people will go out of their way to help you avoid them, well, MOST people. But once you mention optimizing health or, worse, weight loss, then you've threatened them somehow and they feel the need to pressure you to eat crap. It's just the way most humans are I guess. Ah well...
              At Thanksgiving I tried to tell my father that I was gluten intolerant (I believe I am at least as a result of primal eating), and he basically said "if you're going to be in my house, you're going to eat wheat. It's good for you. Eat it and stop complaining."

              Like, he couldn't accept it at all!
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • #52
                Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
                I have a raw vegan* friend who posts things about figs, spinach, romaine and kale being high protein foods. Sure, those are all pretty good foods, but high protein? no...
                What is your definition of high protein?
                Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                • #53
                  That is hard Drumroll. Family is....difficult at times As I tell my (very argumentative son and nephew) Just smile and wave boys..

                  Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                  At Thanksgiving I tried to tell my father that I was gluten intolerant (I believe I am at least as a result of primal eating), and he basically said "if you're going to be in my house, you're going to eat wheat. It's good for you. Eat it and stop complaining."

                  Like, he couldn't accept it at all!
                  You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                  Age 48
                  height 5'3
                  SW 215 lbs
                  CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                  LW 172 lbs
                  GW 125ish lbs

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                    What is your definition of high protein?
                    Exactly. Per calorie, they are EXTRMELY high protein actually. Just not very bio available proteins and the bulk you'd need to eat to get enough is ridiculous.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #55
                      I'm fairly new (started the Monday before Thanksgiving) but have lost 11 lbs over the holidays. That's amazing to me. And people are noticing. They ask me, "What are you doing?" and I tell them and they instantly say, "Oh. I can't live without bread and pasta." And it amazes me. I mean, these are people with a good 50+ extra pounds. Why not change how they eat, and then do the occasional cheat meal that includes bread or pasta later, after the weight is gone? To me, the risks, premature aging and general discomfort of being obese are much worse than giving up grain. I just fell below the obese BMI and am now *just* overweight but my goal is to reach a nice healthy weight and I don't plan on giving that up just for a bowl of pasta.
                      High Weight: 225
                      Weight at start of Primal: 189
                      Current Weight: 174
                      Goal Weight: 130

                      Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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                      • #56
                        Maybe one day it will be socially acceptable to say you're eating paleo (as it is today with gluten-free). But until then, I'd try to avoid the conversation as much as possible. If you have to say anything, just say you have food allergies and you feel a lot better on this diet. Saying you're trying to eat healthy, eating "nutrient-dense" foods, or claiming grains are bad for you will make people think you are crazy, elitist, and/or stupid. It's an unfair and unfortunate reality.

                        I work in an office and from what I can gather, people seem to have a consensus on what they consider healthy eating. If if it's someone's birthday and there's cake or if it's the holidays and there's candy, people will gladly indulge and almost everyone will make some joke about how it's bad for them but oh well. Occasionally people will bring in salads for lunch and say something like I'm trying to eat healthy. But people simply won't accept you if you say you are trying to eat healthy by giving up grains and eating saturated fat and meat. It's like you're breaking society if you do that.
                        Yes, the real Dirk.

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                        • #57
                          Just read this whole thread, and I love it.

                          I've been seeing the same doctor for 2 years now for autoimmune issues. I see him every 6 weeks or so. When we met, I weighed 370 lbs. Now I weigh 270. For the past year, every time he's seen me, he's said, "Hey, have you lost more weight?!" and tells me how great it is and to keep it up.

                          The last time I saw him, he finally asked: "So, what are you doing?"

                          So I told him: No grains, period. No processed food. Lots of vegetables, lots of stuff like avocado, coconut oil, eggs, BACON, etc. I was so careful not to use the words "paleo" or "caveman" or anything like it.

                          But it's a teaching hospital, and there was an intern there taking notes. She perked up and said, "Oh, you're doing the PALEO thing!" and proceeded to explain it to my doc in terms of "eating like a caveman!"

                          He was all, "You don't cook it?!"

                          I said no, I totally cook it. It's okay.

                          He said, "Like a CAVEMAN? Really?"

                          I said, "Sort of. It's more about eating whole foods, no grains, low carb for me because I have weight to lose."

                          That was when he started laughing. Because it's so FUNNY, guys! Trying to lose weight like a CAVEMAN! Hilarious!

                          I mean, never mind that he's been watching me shrink for a YEAR, never mind that he's seen my autoimmune symptoms diminish so much he took me off one major drug, never mind I'm back in his office because I accidentally ate orzo that I thought was rice a week ago and suddenly, mysteriously, I'm having a flare-up.

                          Because it's FUNNY, see, eating like a caveman!

                          I just blew it off, but it really brought home to me how out-there most people think this lifestyle is. Sitting there as a trained professional whose job it is to monitor and evaluate my health, with the evidence of huge improvements right before his eyes, and he can't even begin to process it.

                          Yowza. People really DON'T want to hear.

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                          • #58
                            Merryish, I couldn't have said it better. Maybe it's time you find a new doc. Your post there is now officially one of the best I have read around here. Sums up my frustration PERFECTLY.

                            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                            • #59
                              Just read your whole journal. Wow...I want to be just like you when I grow up!

                              Originally posted by merryish View Post
                              Just read this whole thread, and I love it.

                              I've been seeing the same doctor for 2 years now for autoimmune issues. I see him every 6 weeks or so. When we met, I weighed 370 lbs. Now I weigh 270. For the past year, every time he's seen me, he's said, "Hey, have you lost more weight?!" and tells me how great it is and to keep it up.

                              The last time I saw him, he finally asked: "So, what are you doing?"

                              So I told him: No grains, period. No processed food. Lots of vegetables, lots of stuff like avocado, coconut oil, eggs, BACON, etc. I was so careful not to use the words "paleo" or "caveman" or anything like it.

                              But it's a teaching hospital, and there was an intern there taking notes. She perked up and said, "Oh, you're doing the PALEO thing!" and proceeded to explain it to my doc in terms of "eating like a caveman!"

                              He was all, "You don't cook it?!"

                              I said no, I totally cook it. It's okay.

                              He said, "Like a CAVEMAN? Really?"

                              I said, "Sort of. It's more about eating whole foods, no grains, low carb for me because I have weight to lose."

                              That was when he started laughing. Because it's so FUNNY, guys! Trying to lose weight like a CAVEMAN! Hilarious!

                              I mean, never mind that he's been watching me shrink for a YEAR, never mind that he's seen my autoimmune symptoms diminish so much he took me off one major drug, never mind I'm back in his office because I accidentally ate orzo that I thought was rice a week ago and suddenly, mysteriously, I'm having a flare-up.

                              Because it's FUNNY, see, eating like a caveman!

                              I just blew it off, but it really brought home to me how out-there most people think this lifestyle is. Sitting there as a trained professional whose job it is to monitor and evaluate my health, with the evidence of huge improvements right before his eyes, and he can't even begin to process it.

                              Yowza. People really DON'T want to hear.
                              You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

                              Age 48
                              height 5'3
                              SW 215 lbs
                              CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
                              LW 172 lbs
                              GW 125ish lbs

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                              • #60
                                Merrish- I see a naturopath and when I told her I was doing Primal Blueprint and mentioned Mark Sisson's name she said, "Oh, that guy" in a very derisive tone. And frankly I think she needs to read his book, because he speaks of many of the same things she speaks of. Whole foods. Natural foods without hormones, GMO's, pesticides. Eating alkaline foods to help your body achieve PH homeostasis. These are all things SHE talks about. I think people just think "caveman diet" and don't understand that Mark may not be a doctor but he did his homework. You don't have to agree with every aspect of PB to recognize that it's got a lot of good stuff going for it. Prior to PB I was doing the Anti-Inflammatory Diet (which my doctor totally supports) and they are VERY similar. Not identical, but quite similar. They both embrace lots of vegetables, only grass-fed hormone and antibiotic free meats, no wheat, no processed foods, no sugar. But I'm not dumping my doc. Instead, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and let the bloodwork results and my physical changes convince her.
                                High Weight: 225
                                Weight at start of Primal: 189
                                Current Weight: 174
                                Goal Weight: 130

                                Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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