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  • #16
    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    Thanks Zoebird! I need to start lifting then

    Zach, but you're still saying stick to the primal lifestyle right?
    Well its not a bad idea to limit processed foods, maybe even grains if they dont make you feel well. I think that you sound confused and well on your way to developing some diet phobias that happen to a lot of people. It usually statts by trying to get as skinny as possible. If you gained 20lbs, maybe half that, muscle i bet you would look much better then 120lbs %10 bf. dont worry so much about eliminating macrs or food groups. Aim for a balanced diet, mostly whole foods and enough calories to grow. Focus on the other aspects of the Primal Blueprint. Lots of slow movements, some intense exercise, lots of relaxation, sleep and play, and most of all, avoid stress.

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    • #17
      As far as we know, Phillykid, Zach does not support the primal lifestyle at all. There are a few around here.

      It's up to you to decide what you want to do -- not us. If you want to do primal/paleo, then do. If you don't, then don't. Dont' ask random internet people what to do. You have your own mind and smarts, use them.

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      • #18
        Also, it should be noted that primal/paleo is not necessarily low carb. My husband's diet is not low carb, really. It's just not high carb either. Mine is lower carb than his, but it depends upon the day.

        You can eat plenty of carbs without eating grains, and there are good reasons to not eat them. But you need to research that and decide for yourself.

        Also, in terms of lifting, since you seem to be of the same body type as my husband and friend, I would suggest lifting once or twice a week so that you have adequate recovery time.

        And, there's nothing to say that eating or living this way means that you don't "enjoy life." My husband has been a "health nut" since before I met him, and he enjoys life. This is part of what he enjoys. He loves lifting.

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        • #19
          Yea i just create these threads to get ideas and opinions. The truth is though, ever sice I started primal and ate only vegetables/fruits as carbs and more fat/protein, i felt more energized. I'm mostly doing Primal for health benefits and from all the success stories i've read, so far primal seems like the real deal. My old diet was oatmeal, chicken breast/little salad, and almonds. I was miserable

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          • #20
            yeah, that sounds like a pretty miserable diet. my husband, when I met him, was oatmeal, tuna, canned pumpkin, protein powder. Talk about miserable (and stinky).

            since then, he's changed to whole foods WAPF then paleo. This current iteration is his favorite by-far! And, he's felt great on it.

            I've always been more moderate with my diet -- with a preference for veggies over starches and fruit over sweets. I love eggs, meat I can take or leave, and dairy isn't good for me. Going grain free has been easy and great for me too.

            Our son (4) eats paleo/primal at home (he has raw dairy), and he's basically unrestricted outside of the home. His kindy makes gluten-free bread, rice balls, and the like, and the kid loves sushi. We also make rice noodle soups on a fairly regular basis that he enjoys. DH and I enjoy them, too, on occasion.

            The good thing is that you have found what you like. Lifting is a great sport - lots of fun.

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            • #21
              Zoebird, one more question. Did your husband and friend count calories when they started out to quicken the fat loss process? I'm still not sure if I should be eating way more or if i'm ok. I want to lose fat at a good pace, but healthy

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              • #22
                That's actually a more complex question than you know.

                Before DH discovered paleo, he had this thing called "the dave diet." his friend dave -- who has been his lifting mentor for years and years -- gave him a diet to help him loose weight while maintaining and even building muscle weight. It was basically paleo. It was about 40% carb, 30% protein, 30% fat (or thereabouts). It was low fruit, no grains, but potato/sweet potato was on the list, and then as many veggies as he could put in. meat, eggs, and fats. All good stuff. Natural foods.

                during this time, my husband leaned down very quickly while still maintainng and gaining muscle (and getting gains in the gym).

                After doing the dave diet -- which he did strictly for about 6 months or so -- he added in his normal weston a price foundation foods. namely, sprouted, sour-dough bread once a week on sundays for breakfast (as part of a "big breakfast") with butter. He basically maintained the same leanness and continued to grow muscle.

                His highest weight while maintining about 10% body fat was 175. Then, he hit an injury, we had a baby, moved to NZ, and started eating a lot more grains than before. Both of us became fatter, but we lost overall weight (muscle loss). DH was doing rehabilitative body-weight work during this time, and dropped to about 145 lbs, but was about 12% body fat or so. I was weighing in around 130 and 20-22% body fat.

                At this point, we went primal/paleo. DH was put on a modified GAPS protocol as well to heal some gut issues as well. He continued with body weight and rehabilitative movements for the first year, and was able to maintain 145 lbs but dropped down to 8% body fat. Since he started lifting again about 6 months ago, he has gone up to 155 and maintained 8% body fat.

                It is likely that as he continues on his cycles (how he lifts), he'll get back up to 175 in another year or so, and then see where he goes from there. He'd like to get a few more PRs (personal records) for his major lifts.

                Though, his real, new passion is mobility work. He's well into learning more about functional movement and mobility, not just compound lifts and strength-building (which was his main focus before).

                So, as you can see, it's a process. He is always fine-tuning; i'm always fine-tuning; you will fine-tune, too.

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                • #23
                  And no, he doesn't count calories. he follows his hunger. since I never answered that question directly.

                  And in the last two months, he's added an intermittent fasting protocol as well as is now in the process of giving up caffeine. Always tinkering.

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                  • #24
                    Oh so it's a long process. So you're saying, don't worry too much about calories as long as i what i need and stick to Primal foods?

                    Also, Based on your/husband's experience, has Primal changed how you feel physically and emotionally? I do feel more energy, but sometimes I think it can be just a mental thing since i'm excited starting something new/different.

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                    • #25
                      Well, life is a long process.

                      We don't worry much about calories -- just feeling satiety and sticking to healthy foods in that process (so, in this case, Primal ones). Particularly fi you are young, healthy, and active and don't have any special needs (ie, gut issues, autoimmune disorders, etc).

                      I would say that how we both feel physically/emotionally has improved.

                      My husband struggled with anxiety growing up. While he still has proclivities, since 2000 -- when he first increased his fat and went on the 'dave diet' -- his anxiety has consistently decreased over time. When he started the GAPS (gut and psychology syndrome) protocol, he saw a great reduction in symptoms (anxiety), and as such, he's feeling a lot happier, healthier, and more settled.

                      For myself, I grew up on a healthy SAD diet (more health food than sweets) as my mother was very much into fitness/body building (rare for a woman in the 1970s 80s when it was all "jazzercise"). I always had upset tummy issues, gas and bloating, and a little pooch under my navel no matter what I did for movement. I always thought my diet was great.

                      I then developed a pituitary tumor at age 20 and gained a lot of weight. At this point, I went vegan and gut out processed food. This was the same time that DH was learning about the Weston A Price foundation and just before he did the "dave diet."

                      I discovered that I was lactose intolerant. I can have small quantities, but will likely get a tummy ache. Raw is better than pasteurized for me. Even so, I learned to avoid it to feel better. I then went back to vegetarian becuase I had low cholesterol. So,I started eating eggs. Did the move to NZ and had the heavy-grain process (i wasn't heavy-grain in the US, really), and was up at 20-22% body fat.

                      When I went paleo, I was surprised at the results. I felt great, and lost the "pooch" that I'd had my whole life (post puberty anyway). and dropped to about 18-19% body fat. I also stopped having gas and upset tummies. So without grains/beans and dairy, I seem to feel best, physically.

                      Since going paleo, I've felt good and vibrant. I feel really great and don't feel overtired or worn down. I think my skin looks great. And we both sleep really well, too.

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                      • #26
                        That's great to hear! Gives me motivation to stick to primal and see how it turns out because the old/usual diets I've tried and read about aren't as interesting as Primal. I was on Mark's daily apple blog everyday reading success stories and his 101 links. I've yet to buy the book though. I was skeptical because of how much fat intake was encouraged in Primal and sometimes I think I eat too much fat, but i feel good so far. Thanks! Hope you and your husband stays well and healthy!

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                        • #27
                          We are between 40% and 50% calories from fat on average. Sometimes a bit less, usually no more than that .

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                          • #28
                            Oh gosh. I didn't know you are male. Just lift more, a lot more. You want to build muscle, forgo most cardio besides sprinting.
                            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                            "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Damiana View Post
                              Don't do that, dear. One week is too short a time to determine whether it'll work for you or not. What works for someone else may make you gain weight and feel like crap. Ultimately, advice is all good but it's useless unless it works for you. Stick with what you've been eating for a month and then tweak it. You will know what's working then, nobody knows your body like you do.
                              I agree completely. You need to give it more like a month to see change. I also agree about activity levels. If you are a guy who wants to decrease bf you'll need to do some heavy lifting at least 3x week. Try adding interval sprints in there as well and lay off any low level cardio or you may inadvertently lose weight.

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                              • #30
                                Okay thanks guys, but what about the diet? Am i eating enough, need more, or less?

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