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  • #16
    Thank you, everyone.
    My last TSH was 1.18. In the past, I had slightly higher.
    I do have some symptoms: low basal temperature, lack of energy, headaches (waking up with a headache) and eye discomfort (I had it pretty bad some two months ago), high cholesterol.
    At this point, I am lazily following Paul Jaminet's recommendation - eating more carbs, adding some supplements. I am feeling better.
    I do feel that there is possibly a problem with my hormones (pituitary gland?) and intend to ask my doctor to address T3. If he decides not to pursue, I will have to look for help somewhere else. It's a pity that only TSH was checked in the past, so I don't have a personal history here.
    Thank you again.

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    • #17
      I self cured my hypo by upping carbs from under 100g to 300-400g (mostly fruit, fruit juice, dairy and grains) reducing meat consumption and reducing fat consumption (mainly pufa sources).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by anna5 View Post
        Thank you, everyone.
        My last TSH was 1.18. In the past, I had slightly higher.
        I do have some symptoms: low basal temperature, lack of energy, headaches (waking up with a headache) and eye discomfort (I had it pretty bad some two months ago), high cholesterol.
        At this point, I am lazily following Paul Jaminet's recommendation - eating more carbs, adding some supplements. I am feeling better.
        I do feel that there is possibly a problem with my hormones (pituitary gland?) and intend to ask my doctor to address T3. If he decides not to pursue, I will have to look for help somewhere else. It's a pity that only TSH was checked in the past, so I don't have a personal history here.
        Thank you again.
        With a TSH of 1.18 you should have a T3 level at least in upper quartile of reference range. With a T3 of .8, your TSH should be 5-8, above refernece range. You clearly have an imbalance, poor conversion is likely the culprit as you have surmised. Don't waste time trying to fix it with diet, you need a full battery of tests. I know how hard it can be to convince docs to order labs, as soon as they sense you think you are smarter than them, they harden up and start resisting everything you say.

        I had a doc say to me, 'you need to stay off the internet". That was when I asked for a lipid VAP profile, vit D, and FT3. When my Vit D came back at 15, the doc said it was OK, I fired him. He never did run the other tests.

        I'm serious about a naturopath. Where do you live?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zach View Post
          I self cured my hypo by upping carbs from under 100g to 300-400g (mostly fruit, fruit juice, dairy and grains) reducing meat consumption and reducing fat consumption (mainly pufa sources).
          So what dose of thyroid meds were you on? What type hypothyroidism did you have? Graves? Hashi's?

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          • #20
            Thank you, Otzi. Clearly, I don't know much about all these Ts. I live in New York City. I think I should stop being lazy (low energy or just laziness?), and deal with the problem.
            Last edited by anna5; 12-23-2012, 08:55 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by otzi View Post
              So what dose of thyroid meds were you on? What type hypothyroidism did you have? Graves? Hashi's?
              I didnt take meds for more then a few days combined. Took synthroid for 2 days and felt horrible, talked the doc into Armour but he only would prescribe lowest dose for a month so i declined. When the doc wouldnt do anything else i followed Ray Peats suggestions and it cleared up. I have the labs to prove it.

              Had subclinical hypo, just above normal TSH,low T3.

              There is no reason the OP cant give a different diet a shot. High meat and pufa consumption can interfere with thyroid, same with low carbs. Also not enough of the right nutrients in balanced proportions.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by anna5 View Post
                Thank you, everyone.
                My last TSH was 1.18. In the past, I had slightly higher.
                To get a clearer picture it would be helpful to see all of your results, including lab ranges. It would also be helpful to know if your T4 and T3 results are for total T4 and T3 or free T4 and T3.

                Also are you taking any estrogen containing medications-BC pills, HRT?

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                • #23
                  Marcadav,
                  I have the following results:

                  TSH - 1.18 mlU/L (the range 0.32-4.05)

                  Free thyrosine - 1.11 ng/dl (the range 0.70-1.24 ng/dl)

                  Thyrosine - 7.50 ug/dl (the range 5.41-11.86)

                  Triiothyronine - 82 ng/dl (the range 94-170)

                  I am not taking anything.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                    That is false. VERY excessive cortisol secretion inhibits the conversion, but it's very unlikely to get to unhealthy cortisol levels through diet alone as long as you're not in anorexia nervosa or extremist veganism.
                    TOO LOW cortisol secretion is actually linked to hypothyroidism and inability to raise T3 levels even with synthetic or natural thyroid meds. It's all about overall metabolic rate, and cortisol isn't as evil as you make it sound, it's a very important part of the raise in metabolic rate, to allow all hormones to be at their optimal levels. Free cortisol needs to be close to top range, as well as Morning fasting cortisol.

                    I have a serious adrenal problem since the beginning of my "puberty" (or lack of it), and we're on our way to discover what it really is. But it seems primary since I have brownish skin like a sun tan. I have low cortisol, and as a result, I have low T3 and can't raise it (Erfa thyroid makes it worse, consumes the residual cortisol, and leave me with worse TSH and Free T3 levels.)

                    Also, your views (which are Danny Roddy's) on serotonin are reversed, ask anyone on an advanced Hormone Replacement Therapy, ask all the prominent doctors in hormone therapies, anti aging medecine and their recent research.
                    Neurotransmitters are important and not destructive, as everything it's excess of them or wrong reactions that cause problems.

                    I'm experiencing it right now.
                    Of course having a circadian rhythm out of whack is going to cause problems. Have you taken pregnenolone? Your thyroid is under-functioning, so you're not producing enough steroid hormones. It's not that cortisol is needed for t3 conversion.

                    I listed two ways diet can manipulate thyroid function easily.

                    Also, your views (which are Danny Roddy's) on serotonin are reversed, ask anyone on an advanced Hormone Replacement Therapy, ask all the prominent doctors in hormone therapies, anti aging medecine and their recent research.
                    Neurotransmitters are important and not destructive, as everything it's excess of them or wrong reactions that cause problems.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Zach View Post
                      Had subclinical hypo, just above normal TSH,low T3.
                      You do see that your problem is waaaaay different than the OP's, right?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by otzi View Post
                        You do see that your problem is waaaaay different than the OP's, right?
                        That's what I was thinking. He seems to be just a normal subclinical hypo. I look weird.

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                        • #27
                          Anna5 - I just wanted to post and say that my numbers are pretty much exactly the same as yours. My LDL is incredibly high. I'm scheduled to see a functional doctor in a few days after Dr. Davis recommended I see one (he's the doctor who wrote Wheat Belly and Track Your Plaque). I'm hoping she can help with the thyroid and possible adrenal fatigue I have and as a result lower my LDL.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by otzi View Post
                            You do see that your problem is waaaaay different than the OP's, right?
                            Yea i understand that and i completely agree she needs to find a doctor who will run the correct tests and work with her. There is no harm in changing her diet to see if that helps.

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                            • #29
                              Linny,
                              Did Dr. Davis give the advice on his blog? If yes, I'd like to see his comment.
                              I have to check this adrenal fatique. I know nothing about it, but I am pretty tired.

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                              • #30
                                He gave the advice on his TYP forum but to read more than a few short posts you need to sign up (and pay $) unfortunately. I splurged and signed up recently because of a ongoing high cholesterol and NMR panel had me freaking out. Everything looks excellent except LDL and therefore TC. And after paying for my own thyroid panel, it's off too similar to yours. Dr. Davis suspects it's a genetic variant of LPO E or thyroid.

                                It seems you have to be lucky to find a PCP or cardiologist that will think outside the box and help find the cause of high cholesterol instead of just throwing statins at it. Davis recommends a functional doctor - google the term and you should be able to go from there finding one in your area. Turns out I already knew one without evening knowing! She is my husband's chiropractor.

                                If you do sign up for TYP forum and post something, Dr. Davis tries to reply to every post at least once.

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