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  • Originally posted by SarahW View Post
    You think fructose malabsorption is simply anecdotal?
    It happened to her, it does not happen to me, so yes, it's anecdotal.

    You have advised everyone in this thread having problems to just eat more sugar.
    No, I did not, I was just debating my opinion on fructose. I haven't even been paying attention to anyone having problems. If it happened, it happened in the beginning of the thread and it would certainly depend on context.


    Sorry, you quoted one source that says fructose has a function during hypoxia and another that showed it caused an uptake in copper (you do realize that too much copper is a bad thing, right?). In 99.5% of studies fructose has been shown to be harmful or increase aging. Yes I will believe what I want, but I am pretty certain that what it believe is perfectly rational.
    There are citations in every post I've made in this thread. Not all are direct links to PubMed articles(PubMed is a medical site anyway, which in itself causes a lot of problems.) But searching for the citations on scholarly google will take you right to it.
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    • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
      Not sure what you're reading, but I only became hostile when paleo-bunny(who is quite fairweather, btw) resorted to not addressing what I was saying and choosing to call me a "sugar fiend" as her way of refuting my points. This happens frequently on this site, granted, I probably reacted too strongly to something really unimportant, but it's the internet.

      I'm hardly hostile, angry, or antagonistic.
      To be fair, dude, that doesn't really help your case. We understand this, but why waste your energy being hostile when "she started it"?

      This thread has gotten outrageously off track. If you guys want to debate sugar, I don't think it's even fair to say "start a new thread" at this point. Start a new forum!

      Shows how much I care about the current discussion: I come in to make a point about arguing effectively.
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      • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
        To be fair, dude, that doesn't really help your case. We understand this, but why waste your energy being hostile when "she started it"?
        Yeah, you're right, and I agree. I reacted poorly, and said so in that post.
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        • Pros are endless! Egg and bacon breakfast being helthy is totally worth the "carb sacrifice"

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          • Not to mention Irish butter and cheese....

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            • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
              It happened to her, it does not happen to me, so yes, it's anecdotal.
              I am completely flabbergasted.

              Fructose Malabsorption is very common. Up to one in three people or 33% has some level of sugar sensitivity - most commonly to Fructose.
              Fructose Sensitivity

              FM can cause depression, especially in women: Could Soda and Sugar Be Causing Your Depression? | Psychology Today

              This is not something you can just answer with a handwave.

              Look, I don't think sugar is teh eeeevilll, and yes, I think some people can (and should) consume it, though probably only in small amounts and from whole foods. It's when you showed a lack of understanding about digestion and fructose that you completely lost me.

              I do not know why you feel so emotionally invested in defending fructose. What's the point?

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              • Originally posted by SarahW View Post
                I am completely flabbergasted.


                Fructose Sensitivity

                FM can cause depression, especially in women: Could Soda and Sugar Be Causing Your Depression? | Psychology Today

                This is not something you can just answer with a handwave.

                Look, I don't think sugar is teh eeeevilll, and yes, I think some people can (and should) consume it, though probably only in small amounts and from whole foods. It's when you showed a lack of understanding about digestion and fructose that you completely lost me.

                I do not know why you feel so emotionally invested in defending fructose. What's the point?
                I don't think we're on the same page here. You're linking studies about severe metabolic derangement(about high fructose corn syrup), likely caused by prolonged consumption of chemicals, toxic seed oils, etc, and you're comparing it to fruit?

                Also, from your link:

                But why would the symptoms of depression be confined to women? The researchers postulated that estrogen made the big difference. Estrogen activates an enzyme called hepatic tryptophan 2,3 dioxygenase that shifts the metabolism of tryptophan from making serotonin (happy) to making kynurenic (not happy). Women already have lower serum levels of tryptophan than men do (which may be part of the reason why we are more vulnerable to depression in the first place), so screwing up whatever available tryptophan in the diet with fructose may lead to even lower levels, and thus depression.
                There is so much wrong here it boggles my mind. Sorry, SarahW, these sources of yours just aren't credible. They're stemmed from the same bunch of fear mongering I've seen over and over again.

                I also don't see where I showed a lack of understanding anywhere.
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                • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                  you post practically the same "le so edgy XD" comments in every thread, your intelligence must be really suffering
                  Hey, I'm pretty sure my intelligence is suffering. I mean, why else would I keep coming back to this forum? Still, that doesn't change the fact that you are a retard for posting the same inane crap in every thread. Close to three hundred posts about sugar over the last five months. And now this megathread on how fructose is superior to sucrose - or is it the other way around? I don't know, nor do I care. What I do know, however, is that it's absolutely irrelevant to 99% of the fat and unhealthy people who come here for advice.

                  But if you want to major in the minors then by all means go ahead. In the meantime I'll focus on whole foods, portion control, exercise and quality time with friends and family. I have a gut feeling I'll be okay even if I don't have your profound understanding of biochemistry.
                  Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                  • Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                    Hey, I'm pretty sure my intelligence is suffering. I mean, why else would I keep coming back to this forum? Still, that doesn't change the fact that you are a retard for posting the same inane crap in every thread. Close to three hundred posts about sugar over the last five months. And now this megathread on how fructose is superior to sucrose - or is it the other way around? I don't know, nor do I care. What I do know, however, is that it's absolutely irrelevant to 99% of the fat and unhealthy people who come here for advice.

                    But if you want to major in the minors then by all means go ahead. In the meantime I'll focus on whole foods, portion control, exercise and quality time with friends and family. I have a gut feeling I'll be okay even if I don't have your profound understanding of biochemistry.
                    That's cool, I care a lot about your opinion. I'll think twice about making another inane post about sugar.

                    Enjoy your quality time.
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                    • Originally posted by AMonkey View Post
                      Primal has been pretty irrelevant in terms of short term health, I'm mainly doing it for the long term gains. However cutting out milk cured my long term sinus problems and excessive amounts of wheat screw with my bowels.
                      Those sound like short-term gains to me! Congrats!
                      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                      • One of the 'pros' of primal that I find is how is it easy to systematically let things go.

                        We have been caffeine free for 3 weeks here, and there doesn't seem to be any need to go back to it at all.

                        This whole holiday season has been really easy -- we've had a bit of chocolates, some traditionally made stollen and some christmas cookies, but there's no over-eating them. They taste great, but a little bit goes a long way. We have talked about finishing out our purchased chocolate to make our own paleo fudge (coconut oil, cocoa, and honey to taste), and otherwise just letting white sugar go. We'll still continue with starch (sweet potatoes/potatoes, occasional rice), veggies (lots and lots of veggies!), meats and eggs, and butter/coconut oil/other oils.

                        I think it will be great to be free of sugar. I'm went through a stint of it years ago, and I'm glad to be heading back that way.

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