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  • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
    Found the problem. What sort of fat?

    "But even high intakes of fructose do not necessarily induce insulin resistance in lean or obese human subjects (Le et al. 2006). Additionally, fructose does not influence the accumulation of visceral, subcutaneous, or liver fat (Silbernagel 2011), all of which are potent risk factors for diabetes. Fructose, however, can elevates triglyceride levels in the blood, but only at high doses; nevertheless, there is uncertainty as to how good triglycerides really are as predictors of cardiovascular disease (Miller et al. 2011)."
    I gave you two examples out of many, none of which prove your point, so what's up with that?

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    • Derpamix, if your goal is to help provide people with information about how dietary changes (especially increasing sugar) could possibly help them, your approach is all wrong. I'm a believer that starches and sugars are healthy; I use them liberally myself. However your antagonistic tone is making me want to argue with you even though I don't necessarily disagree with you.

      Unless you improve how you reply and interact with people on this website, people will just stop responding to your comments because any worthwhile information you might have will be lost due to the way you are trying to get the message across. No one is going to take advice from someone who openly hostile and insulting them.

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      • Originally posted by SarahW View Post
        I gave you two examples out of many, none of which prove your point, so what's up with that?
        For every one I can find, there are several other sources claiming the opposite. Finding worthwhile ones that aren't conjecture is rather difficult.

        Derpamix, if your goal is to help provide people with information about how dietary changes (especially increasing sugar) could possibly help them, your approach is all wrong. I'm a believer that starches and sugars are healthy; I use them liberally myself. However your antagonistic tone is making me want to argue with you even though I don't necessarily disagree with you.

        Unless you improve how you reply and interact with people on this website, people will just stop responding to your comments because any worthwhile information you might have will be lost due to the way you are trying to get the message across. No one is going to take advice from someone who openly hostile and insulting them.
        Not sure what you're reading, but I only became hostile when paleo-bunny(who is quite fairweather, btw) resorted to not addressing what I was saying and choosing to call me a "sugar fiend" as her way of refuting my points. This happens frequently on this site, granted, I probably reacted too strongly to something really unimportant, but it's the internet.

        I'm hardly hostile, angry, or antagonistic.
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        • TherPros-

          Lost 195lbs
          No longer type II diabetic.
          Feel 100% ready for anything at anytime. Both physically and mentally.
          look 10 years younger.

          Cons?

          Can't think of any except some social situations that are normally easy to work around.

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          • Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
            Exactly so. There are plenty of other ways to fill liver glycogen. Muscle glycogen stores may preferentially be the first stores refilled from starch (and glucose) but it takes relatively small amounts to do this unless you just have these massively huge muscles. And once the muscle glycogen is filled, guess what takes on a lot of the excess?
            Are you implying, that carb refeeds and hence the amount of carbs you'd want to eat post workout, depends on the amount of muscle you have?

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            • Originally posted by zizou View Post
              Are you implying, that carb refeeds and hence the amount of carbs you'd want to eat post workout, depends on the amount of muscle you have?
              It seems logical that larger muscles would store more glycogen and use it more rapidly, don't you think? Of course, the point of weightlifting is to build/maintain muscle...

              Then there's also the overall intensity with which you exercise that can make you need a little bit more. However, I don't think it takes that much to replenish muscle glycogen to begin with. Muscles can only use so much, so quickly.

              Don't over think things too much either. Just workout hard, eat primal foods and know when to back off, take a break, and rest.
              Last edited by Drumroll; 12-30-2012, 10:20 PM.
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              • Yeah, true, i'd say im probably eating a tad too much carbs post workout, your post just sparked a bit of thinking in me

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                • Primal has been pretty irrelevant in terms of short term health, I'm mainly doing it for the long term gains. However cutting out milk cured my long term sinus problems and excessive amounts of wheat screw with my bowels.
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                  • Originally posted by zizou View Post
                    Yeah, true, i'd say im probably eating a tad too much carbs post workout, your post just sparked a bit of thinking in me
                    Another way to think about post-workout nutrition: Post Workout Fasting | Mark's Daily Apple
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                      Derpamix, if your goal is to help provide people with information about how dietary changes (especially increasing sugar) could possibly help them, your approach is all wrong. I'm a believer that starches and sugars are healthy; I use them liberally myself. However your antagonistic tone is making me want to argue with you even though I don't necessarily disagree with you.

                      Unless you improve how you reply and interact with people on this website, people will just stop responding to your comments because any worthwhile information you might have will be lost due to the way you are trying to get the message across. No one is going to take advice from someone who openly hostile and insulting them.
                      Actually, I think it's a good thing we have Derpamix to keep people like Paleo-bunny in check. They're equally retarded and deserve each other.

                      (btw I feel slightly less intelligent for even posting in this trainwreck of a thread)
                      Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                      • Okay, just to conclude my reasoning, and why I think fructose is dangerous:

                        This: IBS, Depression, and Skin Problems in Fructose Malabsorption | The Primal Parent

                        She solves her problems by adding dextrose to her diet: A Safer Sugar for Fructose Malabsorption | The Primal Parent

                        This is necessary because without sugar she becomes "vulcan" (The Carnivore’s Dilemma – A Diet of Just Meats and Fats? | The Primal Parent), though it should be noted she eats pretty much nothing but raw meat and fat.

                        This is just one case study out of many on the internet. Other paleos have mentioned the effect sugar has on dopamine and satiation.

                        But, one can not just throw sugar at any problem as if it is a super-cure. For someone who has problems digesting fructose throwing just "sugar" into their diet is the worst thing they can do. Even for those who don't have a "problem" with fructose, fructose is not healthy. That's just crazy-talk.

                        We're all armchair nutritionists on this forum, but really, let's try to first do no harm.

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                        • We're all armchair nutritionists on this forum, but really, let's try to first do no harm.


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                          • Actually, I think it's a good thing we have Derpamix to keep people like Paleo-bunny in check. They're equally retarded and deserve each other.


                            I disagree. She showed restraint considering the circumstance w/o the adolescent use of sexual innuendo (NOT YOU).

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                            • Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                              Actually, I think it's a good thing we have Derpamix to keep people like Paleo-bunny in check. They're equally retarded and deserve each other.

                              (btw I feel slightly less intelligent for even posting in this trainwreck of a thread)


                              (you post practically the same "le so edgy XD" comments in every thread, your intelligence must be really suffering)

                              Okay, just to conclude my reasoning, and why I think fructose is dangerous:

                              This: IBS, Depression, and Skin Problems in Fructose Malabsorption | The Primal Parent

                              She solves her problems by adding dextrose to her diet: A Safer Sugar for Fructose Malabsorption | The Primal Parent

                              This is necessary because without sugar she becomes "vulcan" (The Carnivore’s Dilemma – A Diet of Just Meats and Fats? | The Primal Parent), though it should be noted she eats pretty much nothing but raw meat and fat.

                              This is just one case study out of many on the internet. Other paleos have mentioned the effect sugar has on dopamine and satiation.

                              But, one can not just throw sugar at any problem as if it is a super-cure. For someone who has problems digesting fructose throwing just "sugar" into their diet is the worst thing they can do. Even for those who don't have a "problem" with fructose, fructose is not healthy. That's just crazy-talk.

                              We're all armchair nutritionists on this forum, but really, let's try to first do no harm.
                              You're linking blog posts that don't cite any resources and are just anecdotal.

                              No one is saying to throw sugar or fructose at everything, but to say it's inherently harmful is just untrue. I've listed several sources already that seemed to just be falling on deaf ears. Believe what you want.
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                              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                You're linking blog posts that don't cite any resources and are just anecdotal.
                                You think fructose malabsorption is simply anecdotal?

                                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                No one is saying to throw sugar or fructose at everything
                                You have advised everyone in this thread having problems to just eat more sugar.

                                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                but to say it's inherently harmful is just untrue. I've listed several sources already that seemed to just be falling on deaf ears. Believe what you want.
                                Sorry, you quoted one source that says fructose has a function during hypoxia and another that showed it caused an uptake in copper (you do realize that too much copper is a bad thing, right?). In 99.5% of studies fructose has been shown to be harmful or increase aging. Yes I will believe what I want, but I am pretty certain that what it believe is perfectly rational.

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