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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Choco, absolutely no disagreement there about fruit. I was just goofing on Derpy's comment about white sugar being "so pure".

    What is "excess" however varies from person to person. You can handle a substantial amount. Others can't.

    And , if you are willing to wade through some fairly dense science, this is very interesting about why sugar is NOT benign.
    I've watched that video several times and admit it COMPLETELY changed my view on sugar, HFCS, even fruit juice. And the part about the contents of children's formula (a shake in a bottle) was chilling. I think that video should be required in health classes in schools, frankly. This was before I even heard of primal, which seems to build on the idea.
    High Weight: 225
    Weight at start of Primal: 189
    Current Weight: 174
    Goal Weight: 130

    Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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    • Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post
      I've watched that video several times and admit it COMPLETELY changed my view on sugar, HFCS, even fruit juice. And the part about the contents of children's formula (a shake in a bottle) was chilling. I think that video should be required in health classes in schools, frankly. This was before I even heard of primal, which seems to build on the idea.
      Yeah, in elementary school so the kids can refute it(and they will)

      Can't believe anyone takes this garbage seriously and why it's STILL being passed around

      Absolutely disgusting
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      • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
        Yeah, in elementary school so the kids can refute it(and they will)
        Can't believe anyone takes this garbage seriously and why it's STILL being passed around
        Absolutely disgusting
        If you would care to refute the science in any logical way, perhaps people would listen. This^^is just you throwing a sugar crash tantrum.

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        • Kevin this was my experience. I was actually on probiotics and anti fungal meds for a while. Thankfully it all seems to have worked out and I even had a little grains over the holidays without becoming deathly ill. You also may just need more carbs than others. I personally am type II diabetes so carbs are bad. May not be the case for you. Eat real foods, eat cleanly and remember that as best he could Grok at what made him feel good.

          Could be a gut flora issue. Including probiotics may help. Some people report "die off" symptoms when they eliminate detrimental items. Its along the lines of those little buggers don't like you taking away their food supply so they make life difficult until you kill them all! OK thats the metaphorical version, but it works.

          Also when you eat mainly fat and protein its quite normal to not have as much waste. It's not that your guts slow down. Its actually that there isn't as much debris (soluble and insoluble fiber) for the bacteria to ferment and expel from your colon.
          You know all those things you wanted to do: You should go do them.

          Age 48
          height 5'3
          SW 215 lbs
          CW 180 lbs (whole foods/primal eating)
          LW 172 lbs
          GW 125ish lbs

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          • Pre-Primal I only went maybe once or twice a week. Now I go (as of late) daily or every other day. Until my fruit experiment, that is. That was bloat, tiny clay poops every few hours and stomach pain. Now that I'm back to high-fat, things are regular.
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            • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              If you would care to refute the science in any logical way, perhaps people would listen. This^^is just you throwing a sugar crash tantrum.
              I'm sure I already have indirectly several hundred times
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              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                I'm sure I already have indirectly several hundred times
                Um, no. What you have done several hundred times is say, "Eat sugar because Ray Peat says so and because Danny Roddy says it will give you 'Hair Like A Fox'". That is not science. That is blindly following internet gurus.

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                • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Um, no. What you have done several hundred times is say, "Eat sugar because Ray Peat says so and because Danny Roddy says it will give you 'Hair Like A Fox'". That is not science. That is blindly following internet gurus.


                  Basically, what you're saying then is "don't eat sugar because an overweight pediatric endocrinologist says so on an internet video".

                  Good job. He refutes himself.
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                  • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    Basically, what you're saying then is "don't eat sugar because an overweight pediatric endocrinologist says so on an internet video".
                    Good job. He refutes himself.
                    No, I'm saying, "Watch the video, take the time to understand it, look up all the big sciency words he uses, and realize that Ray Peat is just flat out wrong and his program is dangerous."
                    Plus, I don't think Dr Lustig is overweight. Not the world's greatest fitting suit perhaps but, unless you have seen him naked and not behind a podium, how would you know? Now you're just picking at superficial things because you can't refute his scientific facts. That's very shallow of you, Derpy.

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                    • [QUOTE=BestBetter;1043343]
                      I liked eating this way for a period of time because I had a history of binge-eating, and I was hoping that eating like this would prevent it from ever returning.

                      I kind of stewed with those thoughts for a bit, and I realized that my binge-eating was psychological, and blaming it on blood sugar was really a scapegoat. I had a very emotional relationship with food, which I never fully appreciated at the time. Those high protein or high fat breakfasts were really just temporarily masking the problem. Or maybe, I did need those breakfasts for a period of time in order to get where I am...I have no way of knowing.

                      Switching my diet to what it is now was a very difficult decision, and I resisted it for months because I wanted so, so much to believe that low carb primal was the answer...it seemed to cure and heal so many people, and on paper it makes so much sense. And knowing that I did for a period of time feel good on paleo/primal before slowly declining makes me vigilant about looking for changes in how I'm doing on this current way of eating. It's possible I may not feel great 2 years from now...or maybe after all this time I finally cracked it. Only time will tell.


                      This was my original reason for eliminating dairy. After a few months of being dairy-free, my acne cleared up, and anytime I tried to reintroduce dairy as an experiment, my acne always came back (I tried grass-fed, raw, and goat milk, and had the same reaction to everything).

                      QUOTE]

                      I love this way of thinking Best - and I think this is largely what eating primal (or versions thereof) is about for a lot of people. Having an awareness of what we are eating and being able to perceive the effect it has on us is the way to better health. I'm only just learning what foods do to me because of been so numbed out and unaware of my body from years of disordered eating. It's brave to try something new as a way to healing, I'm interested in what you're doing though at this stage I know it wouldn't work for me.

                      Do you think including sugar stops you from feeling deprived of it, thus leaning into the idea of binging being a psychological issue? I'm quite sure sugar triggers a binge in me, but sometimes I question that this is what I've been lead to believe? I have learned that if I eat sugary food I am always ravenous the next day even if I've stuffed myself before going to bed. I can feel now that far and protein keep me full and ward off hunger, it's taken a year to get that.

                      I'm in relapse now with restricting and and ED, it's refreshing to see a new approach, I look forward to seeing how it works out for you. Thanks for sharing.

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                      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        No, I'm saying, "Watch the video, take the time to understand it, look up all the big sciency words he uses, and realize that Ray Peat is just flat out wrong and his program is dangerous."
                        Plus, I don't think Dr Lustig is overweight. Not the world's greatest fitting suit perhaps but, unless you have seen him naked and not behind a podium, how would you know? Now you're just picking at superficial things because you can't refute his scientific facts. That's very shallow of you, Derpy.
                        The massive fat deposits around his cheeks say otherwise.
                        "The Trouble with Fructose: a Darwinian Perspective" by Robert Lustig, MD on Vimeo

                        I've seen the video, which is why I can accurately say it's a joke. Your condescending attitude, while hiding behind a ridiculous video you likely don't even understand is funny in itself.

                        First off, the fact he makes such remedial biology mistakes already compromises the message he's presenting(refers to ethanol as a carbohydrate, it is not). He tries so desperately hard to make a parallel between alcohol and fructose in his complete bias, he completely embarrasses himself by being utterly wrong about something taught in high school. Fructose is not a toxic. It is a metabolite your body will produce on its own.

                        For sugar, I posted this already in this same topic:

                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1042639

                        I honestly can't be bothered to rewatch that ridiculous video to further nitpick something that anyone with basic knowledge will see as horseshit.
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                        • Lustig has put on weight since the video was made.

                          Does anyone think the internet might explode if I started a sugar thread?
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • DH and I were on SAD with loads of junk and felt great, or so we thought. At least we didn't have any stomach problems, and we loved dessert after 2 crappy meals everyday, and we wolfed down the nachos/burritos/fritos/cheetos/tacos like we did in school.

                            Fast forward to me finding Mark's book and this awesome website and talk about stomach upset. The fatty breakfast with uncured bacon and eggs in ghee with NO toast was stomach upset every morning. A BAS at lunch with all those greens was diarrhea central. It took several weeks of working thru the pain, mainly smaller portions helped greatly, and something 'reset' because after that it's been so easy, resulting in weight loss, better sleep and mood. Like with most things, it just takes time.

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                            • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                              Lustig has put on weight since the video was made.

                              Does anyone think the internet might explode if I started a sugar thread?
                              Lustig is just a quack. This is the same guy who says to card kids when they want to buy a candy bar and to greatly tax all processed foods. Basically infringing on free will.

                              There is no way anyone can respect this loon or take him seriously. He's way out there. And, yeah, he's fat himself.
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                              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                He tries so desperately hard to make a parallel between alcohol and fructose in his complete bias, he completely embarrasses himself by being utterly wrong about something taught in high school. Fructose is not a toxic. It is a metabolite your body will produce on its own.
                                Fructose is a toxin that causes about 100 times more oxidative damage than glucose. It can only be metabolised by the liver, kidney cells to a much lesser extent and cancer cells. Hence the analogy with alcohol.

                                The human body has no means of producing fructose that I'm aware of. There would be no rationale in its doing so.
                                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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