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  • Metabolic rate directly correlates with longevity and intelligence. It's interdependent at all levels, when you have the ability to do something, you do it. There is no "more efficient" metabolism.
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    • see? religion

      i see methodists and baptists and CoC, maybe catholics, all fussing about how to get to heaven
      Imagine there's no heaven
      It's easy if you try
      No hell below us
      Above us only sky
      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

      B*tch-lite

      Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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      • I like APC's cover of that song

        oh now that you quote something it's not as cool
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        • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
          Imagine there's no heaven
          It's easy if you try
          No hell below us
          Above us only sky
          Now that it's raining more than ever
          Know that we'll still have each other
          You can stand under my umbrella
          You can stand under my umbrella
          (Ella ella, ay ay ay)
          beautiful
          yeah you are

          Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
          lol

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          • Best, your experience mirrors mine exactly. Very interesting. Why do you not eat dairy?

            As for the evolutionary perspective. It seems pretty bunk to begin with. We live here and now, nothing at all like our ancestors from 100,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. If anything its our last two or three generations that would have the greatest impact on our health. Maybe our DNA is not muched changed but what about our gut microbes, our tastes, even our thoughts. We cant replacate paleo man and maybe it would not even be beneficial to try. There is plenty of evidence to show that as a species we are bigger, stronger, live longer and are smarter then our ancestors even of a few hundred years ago. Maybe it is the excess calories and availability to year round foods that is the driving factor?

            And before anyone says it, yes there is a epidemic of disease, but im not talking about a diet of frankenfoods and seed oils but real foods, high in calories, fats, carbs and protein. Everyone here knows what im saying even if they want to scream bullshit and point to a SAD. (I hate that term, it implys that anyone not on a certain diet is eating horribly and has multiple diseases.)

            I guess what im saying is that just because something isnt paleo or doesnt jive with how a person from that era would do things does not automatically mean it is unhealthy in the short or even long term (example, eating high amounts of sugar.). Context always matters.

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            • No one understands the fallacy right in front of their face. You can't accurately, and unbiasedly judge how much sugar is actually being consumed. How much is pure sugar, ie; not consumed with other chemical laden trash, hfcs, high fat content(Changes in glucose to... [Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI), etc;

              I bet when you remove all those factors and consider how much pure sugar is being consumed alone, the number would drastically decline. It's even on the decline now, thanks to viral messages spinning unfounded lies about the deleterious health effects of sugar. Many ignorant health conscious Americans are swapping sugar for artificial sweeteners like splenda, aspartame, et al and yet, health is declining.

              Lustig's crappy viral video spurring up fear mongering shows exactly how gullible people really are.
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              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                No one understands the fallacy right in front of their face. You can't accurately, and unbiasedly judge how much sugar is actually being consumed. How much is pure sugar, ie; not consumed with other chemical laden trash, hfcs, high fat content(Changes in glucose to... [Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI), etc;

                I bet when you remove all those factors and consider how much pure sugar is being consumed alone, the number would drastically decline. It's even on the decline now, thanks to viral messages spinning unfounded lies about the deleterious health effects of sugar. Many ignorant health conscious Americans are swapping sugar for artificial sweeteners like splenda, aspartame, et al and yet, health is declining.

                Lustig's crappy viral video spurring up fear mongering shows exactly how gullible people really are.
                And its not just sugar. Saturated fats for pufa oils, wheat for gluten free, salt for a potassium substitute. People in power distort facts to generate fear and get people to buy something that they are selling. Nevermind that pure sugar, salt, animal fat and wheat have been around for thousands of years and these new "healthy" alternatives were just cooked up in a lab less the. 100 years ago.

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                • Donning my tin foil hat for a moment -- You have to wonder how much is just ignorance on the researchers part(not looking at the whole picture, taking a skewed and utterly flawed test and running with it) and how much of it is just who's pocket they're in. I've learned to basically do the exact opposite of whatever mainstream beliefs suggest me.
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                  • studies have shown that tin foil hats AMPLIFY government control rays

                    you're playing right into their hands
                    beautiful
                    yeah you are

                    Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                    lol

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                    • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                      Donning my tin foil hat for a moment -- You have to wonder how much is just ignorance on the researchers part(not looking at the whole picture, taking a skewed and utterly flawed test and running with it) and how much of it is just who's pocket they're in. I've learned to basically do the exact opposite of whatever mainstream beliefs suggest me.
                      Why would any scientist or researcher do anything if not for the money. It just depends on who is going to pay them more for what they have to say.

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                      • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                        studies have shown that tin foil hats AMPLIFY government control rays

                        you're playing right into their hands
                        Oh god, no wonder I've been being followed lately... ;_;
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                        • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          Why would any scientist or researcher do anything if not for the money. It just depends on who is going to pay them more for what they have to say.
                          This is true, but to blantantly misrepresent scientific evidence should be criminal.
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                          • Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                            When I was eating low carb/high fat, when I was active I was often FORCING myself to go to the gym and take long walks because I knew I should. But sometimes I didn't even have the energy to get off the couch to make my meals.

                            Now that I'm eating high carb, I do hot yoga 5x/week, do weights at the gym 2x/week, and try to take walks when I have the time. However, the big difference is that now I never feel like I'm forcing myself to move around, i have the energy and I don't feel completely depleted afterward. Likely, I have
                            more spontaneous activity now, like I'll spontaneous do a sprint from my car to a store or have a dance party while I'm washing dishes; this increase in activity is difficult to quantify.

                            No potato chips! My golden rules are: no gluten, no dairy, no soy/legumes, no HFCS, no omega 6 crap oils. As a result, it is almost impossible to ever eat most candy, junk food, processed food, etc... I use organic cane sugar and some honey.

                            In a typical day, I might eat something like this:

                            Breakfast:
                            3 rice cakes with jam (or gluten-free oatmeal with coconut milk, raisins, and 2 spoons of brown sugar)
                            1 spoonful of raw, local honey
                            1 Coffee or Tea with 2 spoons sugar

                            Lunch:
                            Pasta or Rice Dish (100-120 grams of either, dry, which comes to about 80-100 grams of carbs)

                            Dinner:
                            Boiled/Baked peeled potatoes
                            Some type of meat or fish

                            *I don't eat the same thing everyday. Some days I eat a lot of fruit, some days I eat more low-fiber vegetables in the form of squashes, onion, peppers. Some days I have liver or eggs or a can of sardines. Somedays I'm less hungry and might skip a meal.

                            When I first switched to this macro breakdown, I made it a point to keep my calories consistently high (at least 2,000) so I could try to reset myself. At first I gained a few pounds, but they eventually disappeared without any intervention.

                            When I had been eating lower calorie/low carb for a while, I noticed that the longer I did this, the more easily my body stored fat at lower and lower calorie levels. The more I decreased my calorie levels, the less energy I had and the less active I was. Having to measure everything on a scale really made me hyperaware of every calorie, and I really couldn't relax and enjoy my food because I was always trying to measure and limit it. At one point I couldn't eat over something like 1,200 without starting to gain fat, which was the breaking point for me.

                            Now, I never think about calories, and I sometimes try to add some extra sugar or a spoon of coconut oil somewhere during the day if I'm worried my calories are too low for the day, because my appetite is actually much lower now than it used to be on primal.
                            Great, thanks for the overview. Interesting that you don't have any protein with breakfast, personally that would probably cause a bit of blood sugar crash for me later in the morning, especially if I had it with coffee. I am assuming the pasta is gluten free based on your no-gluten philosopy. It actually kind of sounds like Paleo, or what I think of as Paleo, which is basically just avoiding, grains, soy, HFC, legumes, omega 6 oils and eating organic etc. The bottom line is you are feeling great and you are getting the body physiology results you want so congratulations.
                            Last edited by canuck416; 12-26-2012, 03:12 PM.
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                            • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post



                              I agree it can be a "wide open" system. To be wide open it needs to focus less on the fat.
                              You are confusing things.

                              Paleo is an idea, and doesn't have individual agency to promote anything.

                              Simple, the idea of paleo/primal *is* a wide-open system as described. It asserts: don't eat neolithic foods. That's it, really.

                              Different groups within this broad idea, then, have their own take. Some are high fat. Some are low fat. Carbs balance based on this. That is all. Simple.

                              It's human beings who are practicing paleo who have these ideas. These people might focus on more fat or less fat (and then the carbs balancing that depending upon which way they go). They might be more strict paleo (no dairy, no grains) or less strict paleo (some grains, but no gluten, and some dairy).

                              But they are not -- no matter how large the group -- the idea of paleo. They are people who are applying the idea of paleo to the macronutrient profiles that they feel are appropriate for them, and advocate that to others.

                              If you actually look at it broadly, you can see that this is so.

                              And, in my case, basic -- and by that I mean very basic -- primal blueprint works really well. It is technically high fat the way that I do it (more than 40%), which technically makes me low carb, but I'm certainly not missing anything emotionally or healthy wise, etc.

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                              • Breakfast:
                                3 rice cakes with jam (or gluten-free oatmeal with coconut milk, raisins, and 2 spoons of brown sugar)
                                1 spoonful of raw, local honey
                                1 Coffee or Tea with 2 spoons sugar


                                I would be fine on this, except without the sugar. I've always been sugar sensitive (and I dont' have much of a sweet tooth, either), and I would also increase my nutrients here by choosing nutrient rich source of carb/sugar. There aren't a lot of nutrients in brown or white sugar. Calories, yes.

                                Alternatively, I'd have the oatmeal with some fresh, seasonal fruit with the raisins.

                                Lunch:
                                Pasta or Rice Dish (100-120 grams of either, dry, which comes to about 80-100 grams of carbs)


                                I love a good thai curry with some nicely cooked rice or a rice noodle. I think this is well within normal realms of what we do here (PB) anyway. For me, it would need to be balanced with veg and meats. When I do the noodles, it's in a soup. I love broth!

                                Dinner:
                                Boiled/Baked peeled potatoes
                                Some type of meat or fish


                                I eat veg -- usually fibrous veg. Yesterday it was steak and asparagus. Today, it's likely to be a BAS asian-style with some smoked fish (locally caught and smoked).

                                I have potatoes (white or sweet) about once a week because it's what works for me. Though, it's summer, so I'm having it a lot less.

                                *I don't eat the same thing everyday. Some days I eat a lot of fruit, some days I eat more low-fiber vegetables in the form of squashes, onion, peppers. Some days I have liver or eggs or a can of sardines. Somedays I'm less hungry and might skip a meal.

                                Assumed.

                                I would say that, overall, your diet fits comfortably within paleo, and PB really.

                                For me, it's probably my preference for non-starchy veg (these always make me pudgy, feel bloated, and are unsatisfying), for fruit (I just had some fresh nectarines with brekkie), and lean meats that makes this process easily.

                                I'm not worried about much of anything -- calories, activity levels, sleep. I find that I eat fewer calories than I did before. I find I need less sleep than before and have more energy, that I'm vibrant and healthy and happy. I also do yoga daily (6 days vigorous, one day restorative), and of course Mon-Sat I'm also teaching yoga classes (with hands on assisting which is a lot of lifting). And then there's all of the walking that I do, and the roller skating and the once-a-month parkour that I get to squeak in now and again. LOL

                                It's a lot of fun, really. I haven't gained any weight (unless i start over-eating due to stress, but you know what is interesting? since doing IF, it seems physiologically impossible for me to stress eat. It's bizarre! I'd gotten through most of the mental work of it. . . but even when I'm stressed and I think "yeah, cookies!" the other side of my goes and says "you couldn't put any more food in here." LOL So bizarre!).

                                I just feel good. But I wouldn't say that what you are doing is "wrong" -- I question what nutrition the sugar brings you, and if there's a more nutritious way to get the sugar that you want with other nutrients (ie, bananas, pears, apples, berries, etc etc etc).

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