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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    The person you're talking about is a disciple of Ray Peat who advocates sugar sweetened OJ, sweetened milk, coffee, gummy bears, etc. He also says that a fast heart rate is indicative of good health and high intelligence. Yeahright. So, that person is in no way, shape, or form even trying to be Primal. He is getting all those carbs from sugar not veggies. (And, yes, despite the girly avatars Derp is a dude, or so he says.. A very tall and skinny dude.)
    You know, I actually think that Peat has a lot of interesting ideas. He is a good, clear writer to boot. But, I just cannot get behind the whole "sugar = metabolism = health" thing. I've read Peat and all the others on this one and I just don't get it. Even AFTER reading a crap ton about it, it doesn't add up in my head.
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • AFter wanting to eat anything and everything yesterday, today has been completely different. Got up 2.5 hours later than usual, had breakfast, and lunchtime has come and gone and it's almost time to think about dinner. When everyone else was eating lunch, I knocked back 2 TBS of CO. And I'm JUST FINE. Odd and amazing!

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      • It's a great feeling when your cells aren't starving anymore

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        • Ah thanks for that PB. He is now on my ignore list.

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          • Day 11 No sugar, no alcohol, no grains .............. I'm 100% primal! This evening was tough after a day of unwanted surprises!! Started out with my son being in a car wreck - he's fine - the car is toast. Then the garage door opener takes a dump! Then my gas gauge goes bonkers........... I have a 1/2 a tank - no wait - I'm on EMPTY! I fill the tank and I'm good - and then it says I have 1/2 tank again. ARG!

            I wanted to comfort a frustrating day with ice cream and rum/diet coke! But I resisted. No help from hubby though - he was ready to run to store to get the makings of AnYTHING sweet and yummy. But I didn't want to be thrown out of ketosis so I said NO!

            Calories a bit low today - 908. Fat - 54%, protein - 25%, carbs - 16%. I could up the fat by eating some pork rinds and cream cheese - I might do that in a bit.
            1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
            2. Eat to heal
            3. Move to live
            4. Embrace today
            5. Live with intention
            6. Respect my body
            7. Cultivate joy
            8. Find my passion
            9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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            • Great Tomi!
              Def if you are hungry and can fit in more, go for the pork rinds and cream cheese
              I made pork rinds earlier, really crunchy, but were not as satisfying as I had hoped. Oh well. LOL

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              • There is something so wonderfully and deeply satisfying to home made bone broth. I highly recommend it for anyone wanting some more healthy fat along with a way to curb appetite. Cravings are our bodies' way of telling us to keep foraging because they are missing some essential nutrient. They don't know how to tell us, "I need 50mg of calcium, please", they just tell us to keep looking. So, the modern forager keeps looking at the door of the fridge and ends up eating all kinds of stuff they really don't need trying to plug those nutritional gaps.

                Bone broth is soooooo nutrient dense that all those crazy cravings just go "poof".

                I picked up my cow pool shipment yesterday so today I have three cauldrons of broth going. Where I'm going to put it all, I don't know.

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                • Oh I totally agree PB. I currently only drink chicken bone broth. As the one time I used beef bones, the smell nearly made me vomit LOL, but ill work my way up to it I think.
                  Surely it has the same benefits if made from chicken bones? It helped on my "half fast" I just did.

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                  • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                    Oh I totally agree PB. I currently only drink chicken bone broth. As the one time I used beef bones, the smell nearly made me vomit LOL, but ill work my way up to it I think.
                    Surely it has the same benefits if made from chicken bones? It helped on my "half fast" I just did.
                    Chicken broth will be a little lower in overall fat and a little HIGHER in omega-6 fats. Also, beef broth will be a little richer in overall mineral and vitamin content, but the difference isn't very big. Either one is still a great choice.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • B: 2c. coffee w/ cream and CO.
                      I do like the CO. Strange the energizing effect it has.

                      D: Small romaine salad w/ 3 cherry lg tomatos, a couple little carrots, a couple slices of green pepper, a few red onion rings, liberal shredded cheddar cheese, and some crumbled bacon.
                      Dressing was made from 10% fat greek yogurt, sour cream, homemade bacon-mayonnaise, HWC, smashed pasted garlic, herbs, and blue cheese(you know, a spoon of this and a spoon of that until it has that ZING!)... it was left really thick, not pourable at all like dressing. I kind of dipped my fork in it on the side of my plate then pick up bites of my salad.

                      Also, a chunk of a rare porterhouse steak shared with husband, and a side of steamed broccoli.
                      I used extra of the super yummy dressing to dip the steak in.
                      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                      • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                        dressing was made from 10% fat greek yogurt, sour cream, homemade bacon-mayonnaise, hwc, smashed pasted garlic, herbs, and blue cheese(you know, a spoon of this and a spoon of that until it has that zing!)... It was left really thick, not pourable at all like dressing. I kind of dipped my fork in it on the side of my plate then pick up bites of my salad.
                        Also, a chunk of a rare porterhouse steak shared with husband, and a side of steamed broccoli.
                        I used extra of the super yummy dressing to dip the steak in.

                        want!
                        I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.

                        Oscar Wilde

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                        • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                          B: 2c. coffee w/ cream and CO.
                          I do like the CO. Strange the energizing effect it has.

                          D: Small romaine salad w/ 3 cherry lg tomatos, a couple little carrots, a couple slices of green pepper, a few red onion rings, liberal shredded cheddar cheese, and some crumbled bacon.
                          Dressing was made from 10% fat greek yogurt, sour cream, homemade bacon-mayonnaise, HWC, smashed pasted garlic, herbs, and blue cheese(you know, a spoon of this and a spoon of that until it has that ZING!)... it was left really thick, not pourable at all like dressing. I kind of dipped my fork in it on the side of my plate then pick up bites of my salad.

                          Also, a chunk of a rare porterhouse steak shared with husband, and a side of steamed broccoli.
                          I used extra of the super yummy dressing to dip the steak in.

                          That dressing is droolworthy. Oh my lord!

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                          • Originally posted by Shelli View Post
                            That dressing is droolworthy. Oh my lord!
                            ill say!

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                            • I made an important discovery about electrolytes. You may remember that on Thursday I woke up with a headache and nausea. I was also exhausted due to having only 3-4 hrs of sleep. I took tylenol and suffered through the morning. The headache did not go away. At lunch, I had my usual daily bouillon (1 cube). The headache disappeared immediately. Although I still felt tired, I did not feel sick anymore.

                              FF to this morning. I woke up with a headache a little nausea and feeling distinctly foggy. I slept 7+ hrs last night, so I knew this must be "carb flu". I immediately had a cup of bouillon and it all went away. The connection between both of these days is that I worked out at the gym the evening before.

                              Conclusion: My body needs 2 doses, cubes etc. of bouillon the day after a hard workout. I believe that there are different stages of carb flu. One stage happens when first entering ketosis and includes carbohydrate withdrawal and electrolyte imbalance. The other can happen anytime your ketogenic body develops an electrolyte imbalance. This is why people describe feeling like crap even months into a ketogenic program. Dr Attia still takes 1-2 cups of bouillon as a supplement years into his ketogenic program. He continues to take it even on days where higher carb may take him out of ketosis. For me, bouillon will continue to be a part of my daily intake.

                              PS Apparently, you can do the same thing by adding a natural salt (abt. 1000mg sodium) to hot water if you want to avoid the bad stuff in commercial bouillon. Bone broth with added salt is also recommended. (My N=1 has shown me that I do not get the same benefit from doing this, however. Don't know why.)
                              Dr Attia feels that the dose of MSG in one cup of bouillon is so tiny, the benefits outweigh the negatives.
                              Primal since 9/24/2010
                              "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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                              • I have a crock pot of bone broth brewing right now.

                                So yesterday I made the cream cheese clouds with coconut. I will not be doing that again. overate these by a lot.

                                Today is another new day!

                                Getting home from work I start looking for something, so I am going to try the CO in my tea (whipped to see if that reduces the slick on top) and or a cup of bone broth. I don't need a snack, and I am not a good snacker, I just eat too much.

                                STATS:
                                Calories: 2175
                                Carbs 33g (goal 35) 5%
                                Fat 201g (goal 140) 81%
                                Protein 77g (goal 70g) 14%

                                Technically 2100 calories is still low enough for me to lose fat, and my percentages are good, so I am not going to fret these 2 days and just work harder at inching those numbers down.
                                Chris
                                "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                                My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                                My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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