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  • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
    Broke my ketosis this weekend to celebrate a couple of birthdays. Back at it today though. Son's birthday is Thursday. Part of me wants a cupcake, to celebrate with him on the actual day, but part of me is thinking that breaking ketosis for a cupcake just isn't worth it (hoping to get back to ketosis by about Wednesday by working out today and tomorrow and depleting the glucose stores). *torn*

    Another thing to consider is that I'm making cupcakes for DS's class. 1 box makes 24 cupcakes. I got a box for home too... which means, potentially, 24 cupcakes in my house. Not cool. Maybe I'll invite grandparents over for cupcakes on Thursday and force them to take some home with them. OR Maybe I'll just make 6 for at home and toss the batter for the rest.

    Feeling very hypoglycemic today - naturally after all that sugar yesterday. Thinking some Herb Ox is needed.

    OH! And amazingly I kept the weight off despite the cupcakes this weekend.
    I say make the cupcakes and send them off. Maybe your son would like to save one in the freezer for his half birthday 6 months from the big day? Good luck on the sugar slopes. We got your back
    Karin


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    • Tomi First, I am so sorry that you are frustrated.
      Unfortunately, I think that you have to give it 30 days before you will know for sure. A week is definitely not enough.
      According to the NK experts, the higher fat in relation to the low carb coupled with a mid level of protein is what helps get you into deep ketosis. Jimmy Moore and Dr, Attia both talk about the different levels of ketosis. It is measurable by blood tester.
      I wish I had better answers than "Hang in there and up the fat" Sorry.
      Primal since 9/24/2010
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      • Originally posted by jenn26point2 View Post
        Where do I go on my phone to see my percentages? I'm missing something.
        If you have the MFP app on the phone, when you open it tap on "home" in the bottom left corner. Then tap "Summary" in the upper right corner. Then under the day/date there is a blue bar, on the far right in that bar is a circle with a pie chart on it, tap that and ther you have it.
        Chris
        "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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        My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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        • Tomi - I also experienced this huge bloated full tummy when I first started high fat last year. My weight also went up, but then it went down. Sadly soon after I started a sugar/grain binge....so the scale didn't continue down. I think you really need to give this a few weeks.
          I have been feeling great lately - energy to burn etc.... however last night I had a piece of battered fish. Boy did I have a bad night. Also this morning my gut is huge !!!!! I am wanting to blame the fish batter, and common sence tells me it must be this - but really?
          "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

          ...small steps....

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          • So Jenn, I obviously answered before I saw that you found it, but left the answer in case others need the help.

            tomi, were you losing weight on the low carb and it stopped when you upped the fat, or had the weight loss stopped and you went with HFLC because of that? I think every body is different and every body has a proportion that will set it on the fat loss slope. I do think you need to do something for more than a week to know for sure, but I also note that Dr. Attia went about the process of becoming VLC very slowly over a period of months. Slowly lowering his carbs and proteins and slowly increasing his fats. Maybe you need a slower process, cause it just doesn't cut it to lose sleep because of pain from bloating from your diet!

            Karin, add some cream girly, or straight up canned coconut milk. Or better yet use that non-dairy creamer from the paleo blog. (ok, I will find it and add it to our recipe team page).
            Chris
            "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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            My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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            • Chris, great suggestions for extra fat and thanks for the app inf, I haven't used it a lot yet.
              Primal since 9/24/2010
              "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

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              • This is the first day that I am able to skip lunch and not anything. I'm hoping I'm hungry at dinner cause I really want a burger with pepper jack cheese and sauteed onions.
                Georgette

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                • just an fyi on the IF versus eating question...I was just reading the Dr. Attia blog and he mentions (along with several other of his commenters) that their fasting morning blood sugar numbers were higher than their post prandial numbers when they are using intermittent fasting than when they were in normal ketosis. It is in the comments in Part II of his Ketosis series.
                  Chris
                  "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                  My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                  • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                    just an fyi on the IF versus eating question...I was just reading the Dr. Attia blog and he mentions (along with several other of his commenters) that their fasting morning blood sugar numbers were higher than their post prandial numbers when they are using intermittent fasting than when they were in normal ketosis. It is in the comments in Part II of his Ketosis series.
                    So does that mean we should eat each meal for awhile? I didn't want to eat anything as I felt like if I ate, I would get sick. I can't view Dr. Attia's blog at work and by the time I get home, I'll be so busy with other things, I'll just forget to look. To add to this, I had a cup of tea with CO at noon. I think that's why I'm full.
                    Last edited by geostump; 01-07-2013, 01:09 PM.
                    Georgette

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                    • Originally posted by geostump View Post
                      This is the first day that I am able to skip lunch and not anything. I'm hoping I'm hungry at dinner cause I really want a burger with pepper jack cheese and sauteed onions.
                      OMG that sounds absolutely delicious! My mouth is WATERING!!


                      Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                      just an fyi on the IF versus eating question...I was just reading the Dr. Attia blog and he mentions (along with several other of his commenters) that their fasting morning blood sugar numbers were higher than their post prandial numbers when they are using intermittent fasting than when they were in normal ketosis. It is in the comments in Part II of his Ketosis series.
                      Define post prandial.... lol Nevermind, I'll google it.
                      Primal since March 5, 2012
                      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                      • Damn turns out it wasn't steak I had taken out of the freezer, it was lamb, was still delicious, but I was so looking forward to the steak. I made a salad with celery, cucumber, peppers, red onion and tomato all diced up and mixed with mashed avo, and well fed mayo. I think I ate too much though, as I felt uncomfortable after, so gotta watch that one.
                        Chris, yay for not wanting to cheat, that is so awesome. Will check out your link later.
                        Judymac, good luck for losing the middle, here is hoping things move down with the eating moar fat soon.
                        Geo, love the thigh burn! I too put butter in my broth I make, it is so yummy! If you need to eat 3 times a day then that is what your body obviously wants I just can't any more, but if I do need to eat more I will. I am really listening to my body now, I never knew how before.
                        Pebbles, wow that was a lot of a supplements, what are you still taking?
                        I am only taking fish oil, but thats because I can't get decent fish, but still looking into that.
                        What does maca root do nameless?
                        That sounds good honeybuns, I should be getting some coconut butter today, so might try it in my BP coffee tomorrow. How does it compare fat wise to coconut oil?
                        Chris not sure which is worse, but I remember reading about too much protein knocking you out of ketosis, anyone know if I am remembering right?
                        Tomi that sucks I think I remember reading in PBPM that if you take HCL (think??) before eating it can help, will have a look again today.
                        Just after starting eating primally again, I found out I had gallstones, and the Dr wanted me to see a surgeon straight away, instead I did a gall bladder flush (drinking olive oil and lemon juice over a couple of hours) sounds crazy I know. It made me sick from both end for 2 days, but did not have any pain since then. I have not yet been for a repeat ultrasound, but don't see the need to right now. I truly believe the stones are gone, but I did not check the loo to be sure LOL. I kind of wish I had now, but never mind.
                        Aw don't quit Tomi, we know this can work, I don't what you might need to change specifically, but I am sure someone will have great advice for you.
                        Jenn do you think home made broth can have the same affect? Thats great you kept the weight off even with the cupcakes.
                        Robin, I did try marscapone, but I just couldn't enjoy it.
                        Pebbles, that is what I am telling myself about the 30 days, and I am determined to stick with it for that time period at least.
                        Gwamma, would have to be the flour in the batter for sure.
                        Geo, thats great hope you get to enjoy your burger though. That not hungry feeling amazes me, and I just can't explain it.
                        Chris can you explain that so slow me gets what it means? LOL its still early in the morning :P

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                        • OK so first week lost 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) and 3 cm (just over an inch) off my waist.
                          I know its not terrible, but had a moment of disappointment, but its all good, will keep going and I will get there

                          I am studying to be a naturopath, via distance learning, so at home.
                          Have completed my first unit (A & P) now just waiting to get instructions on organising the exam. And have started my second unit which is Remedial Massage, I am excited about that.
                          Its so weird to be studying though since ive been out of school for 13 years
                          I am keeping the BP coffee to only one a day (as my morning meal), as 2 was pushing me over in fats. Will eat late afternoon/dinner, unless hungry earlier.
                          I def got the steak out last night, so looking forward to that, with broccoli and butter, mmmmm

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                          • Originally posted by demuralist View Post
                            just an fyi on the IF versus eating question...I was just reading the Dr. Attia blog and he mentions (along with several other of his commenters) that their fasting morning blood sugar numbers were higher than their post prandial numbers when they are using intermittent fasting than when they were in normal ketosis. It is in the comments in Part II of his Ketosis series.
                            So, what this means is that when doing IF your blood sugar is higher than it is when you're eating a ketogenic diet... but how long were they IFing though?

                            Right now, I have no qualms about eating 3 meals a day. I still haven't broken my brain of that need to eat at the appropriate times, but I have been spacing meals out further and further each day.
                            Primal since March 5, 2012
                            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                            • Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                              Jenn do you think home made broth can have the same affect? Thats great you kept the weight off even with the cupcakes.
                              Just doing what Dr. Attia said to do.



                              Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                              I am studying to be a naturopath, via distance learning, so at home.
                              Have completed my first unit (A & P) now just waiting to get instructions on organising the exam. And have started my second unit which is Remedial Massage, I am excited about that.
                              What school??? I wanna do it too!!
                              Primal since March 5, 2012
                              SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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                              • Ill have to read that guys blog, do you have a link handy to the broth thing?

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                                this school, I am sure they take international students. I do pay $440 a month for it, not sure on the international price. Its going to take up to 4 years to complete, but trying to do it in less, my youngest starts big school in 2015 and I want to start working part time then, and eventually have a mobile naturopath/pet homeopath (studying this too), and massage practice.

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