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  • #16
    And Cheryl, you also should know that Derpamix is a tall skinny guy who, by his own words, gets the majority of his daily calories from, OJ and milk, both with sugar added, Coke, vast quantities of highly sweetened coffee, chocolate with salt on top, and gummy bears. (Not kidding, he actually said all of that.)

    Also not the most credible source of Primal nutritional advice.

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    • #17
      I could be eating toxic sludge with sprinkles on top, it doesn't discredit the way cellular metabolism works, silly <3
      Make America Great Again

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      • #18
        Yeah, 3 days Primal was right smack in the center of "holy crap I need sugar NOW!!!" hell for me. I would eat a large, full, primal meal that involved plenty of healthy fats, my belly would feel nice and full, but my brain would be SCREAMING for a cookie or a slice of bread at the end. I felt grouchy like I had low blood sugar even on a full stomach. It was awful.

        But you just gotta power through. Those really intense cravings do go away (although you may still miss cookies - not gonna lie). If you find that the cravings are so intense that they're making you unpleasant to be around or are making you hate life, have a handfull of berries instead. That'll be enough of a shot of sugar to take the edge off and make you feel ok again, but without derailing you and making you feel all down on yourself.

        For me it was 2 or 3 days of craving sugar, then about 2 days of pretty nasty low carb flu, then I was home free. For most people it takes at least twice that long, but you do break through at the end. At the end of that time, my body was preferentially burning fat for energy instead of white-knuckling through to its next shot of blood glucose. And I am a MUCH happier person because of it! There are so many benefits to teaching your body to preferentially burn fat that have nothing to do with losing weight. I wasn't out to lose weight when I went Primal, and I haven't lost any. But I am a much more consistently functional person (not to mention happier) now that my body can actually sustain itself between meals. :-)

        Originally posted by Kata View Post
        My mantra is "I won't be out-willpowered by a vegan!"
        <3 <3 <3 :-D

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
          I could be eating toxic sludge with sprinkles on top, it doesn't discredit the way cellular metabolism works, silly <3
          It discredits *your opinion* of how cellular metabolism works and also your judgement. <3 you too.

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          • #20
            When I started way back in April, I was already avoiding breads for the most part but I dropped them cold turkey along with my personal fav, Basmati rice.

            The carb cravings are still an issue sometimes but as was said, add fat, eat till satisfied when hungry, whenever you are hungry. Carry a bag of snack veggies ( a big bag) and have them whenever. I started adding butter to everything I could and it did help with the adjustment. I dont eat so much butter now but use other fats.

            Coconut oil is great but for many people it takes some getting used to so use it sparingly at first then increase if you dont get a bad "whoosh" reaction. you will understand what I mean if it happens, just stay close to a toilet.

            People make the mistake of thinking this is a diet and ergo they must eat less. This is wrong. Oh so wrong. As was mentioned dont worry about loosing weight yet, get used to this then dial it in.

            Have you read the book? if not then you may benefit from it as everything here is better condensed in the book.

            Remember the rules. follow the rules as best you can, they really do help.

            I strive to ensure that each and every meal be by volume, 2/3 veggies and 1/3 meat and fat. Snacks are veggies usually rather than fruit.

            Stay away from nuts. they are addictive and evil.

            There really is no such thing as healthy grains, being "whole" grains do not make them so. If you need carbs, try the many varieties of sweet potato, the Japanese/Korean kind is my fav but regular potatoes wont hurt if you dont eat too much.

            Your body will tell you what is working and what is not and also remember that as Paleobird pointed out some of these people are chaos Muppets and will mess with you just to watch you flounder.
            Primal since April 2012 Male 6' 3" SW 345lbs CW 240lbs GW 220lbs and when I get there I am getting a utlikilt. This one http://www.utilikilts.com/company/pr...ilts/workmans/ actually.

            Join me at www.paleoplanet.net, where all the cavemen hang out.

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            • #21
              Oh Warmbear, your primal knowledge is so vast. Too bad you hace only been eating that way for 8 months and have no long term experience to back up your post.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Oh Warmbear, your primal knowledge is so vast. Too bad you hace only been eating that way for 8 months and have no long term experience to back up your post.
                I think Warmbear losing 80 lbs in 8 months is pretty damn impressive. Whereas you have been here for what, a month?

                I think the OP is smart enough to know who knows what they are talking about and who is just trolling.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  I think Warmbear losing 80 lbs in 8 months is pretty damn impressive. Whereas you have been here for what, a month?

                  I think the OP is smart enough to know who knows what they are talking about and who is just trolling.
                  Pretty sure i told you but i found MDA over 7 years ago i believe and have done 2+ years of unbroken paleo + primal and VLC. Im plenty qualified to post here. Those diets screwed me up so bad its my duty to atleast help others see that low carb is not the only way.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    Pretty sure i told you but i found MDA over 7 years ago i believe and have done 2+ years of unbroken paleo + primal and VLC. Im plenty qualified to post here. Those diets screwed me up so bad its my duty to atleast help others see that low carb is not the only way.
                    No, I didn't know your history. I've just heard your candy and soda worship nonsense for the past month. Your join date says Nov 2012. If you had a bad experience with a particular diet, fine, that means it is not for you. But you go around saying it is bad for everyone while at the same time accusing me of pushing a low carb agenda.

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                    • #25
                      There really is no such thing as healthy grains, being "whole" grains do not make them so. If you need carbs, try the many varieties of sweet potato, the Japanese/Korean kind is my fav but regular potatoes wont hurt if you dont eat too much.
                      Unless a person is trying to lose weight. Those potatoes can stall you out with one hand tied behind their back.

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                      • #26
                        Gosh Zach knows my name? squeeee!. Offering advice from a relative newbie standpoint with good results does not need massive amounts of exp. being a dick to prove their manhood or personal power takes no time at all.
                        Primal since April 2012 Male 6' 3" SW 345lbs CW 240lbs GW 220lbs and when I get there I am getting a utlikilt. This one http://www.utilikilts.com/company/pr...ilts/workmans/ actually.

                        Join me at www.paleoplanet.net, where all the cavemen hang out.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Warmbear View Post
                          Gosh Zach knows my name? squeeee!. Offering advice from a relative newbie standpoint with good results does not need massive amounts of exp. being a dick to prove their manhood or personal power takes no time at all.
                          Right on Warmbear. Don't let the trolls rattle you. They're a dime a dozen man. I don't believe a word of his supposed history either....sounds like a load of bull to me.

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                          • #28
                            Haha, you guys are sad.

                            In a year from now you are in the worst health of your life, just remember my name and go grab a pizza and milkshake.

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                            • #29
                              ^ I have a very short memory when it comes to inconsequential people....fact is I forgot who I was talking to half way through my sentence.

                              Anyhow 2.5 years and I guess I'm still waiting for all that ill health to start lmao. It does kinda suck to never get to take a sick day and have no excuse when it comes to running around with the kids outside and whatnot. Ahh, well...guess I'll just suffer the consequences of my decisions.

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                              • #30
                                to the OP, some people thrive on ketosis, vlc, lc, etc. others do not. this is something that you will have to figure out for yourself. personally, after about a year of vlc/lc paleo living, my body decided that enough was enough. i started adding in potatoes, sweet potatoes, and white rice on an every other day basis. doing about 50 grams of carbs on one day, and anywhere from 150-300 grams on the other days. i do my hardest workouts on the high carb days. for the record, i'm a 33 year old, 5'10", 175 lean and muscular male who trains with heavy weights, does HIT workouts, mountain bikes, hikes, hunts, etc. the added carbs have had no negative impact on my health, bodyfat levels, etc, and have only had positive effects on my training.

                                you will have to experiment and figure out what works for you, rather than listen to people yelling from both sides of the carb fence and insulting each other's credibility.

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