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  • Originally posted by Happy Paleo Girl View Post
    I had gone back and was reading this thread from the beginning. I've been wondering about psyllium powder for a little bit now, because it's recommended as one of the supplements by Dr. BG for curing SIBO, along with RS. She chimes in on the Free the Animal blog in the comments. So when I came across the above, I started doing a little more research. It turns out that the psyllium husk powder that everyone uses is just a bulking agent and does nothing to feed one's beneficial bacteria. Mark actually wrote about it in a "Is it Primal?" post - Is Psyllium Husk Primal or Paleo? | Mark's Daily Apple.
    It's psyllium seed powder that's food for our good guys. Any thoughts on using psyllium seed powder in addition to RS for an even healthier microbiome?
    In this case, you'll want the Psyllium Husk. The husk actually has more prebiotic fiber than the seed. I read Mark's article, too, and was a bit confused. The husk contains a prebiotic fiber called mucilage which is very important. When mixed with RS, it does some amazing things.

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    In the study, they use corn starch as RS source, it works the same with potato starch. The starch somehow get swept up with the gelled psyllium and travel further down the intestine, which is a good thing.
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    • The UPS truck dropped off a box with a 5 pound bag of hi-maize in it.

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      • Tater, have you noticed increased benefit since you added psyllium husk to RS?

        The study that Mark cited said psyllium seed "increased faecal concentrations of butyrate by 42%," so it sounds interesting, but the abstract doesn't indicate that it compared seeds to husk. Colonic production of butyrate in pati... [Scand J Gastroenterol. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI

        I found one study Effect of Plantago ovata (psyllium) husk and seeds on sterol metabolism: studies in normal and ileostomy subjects. that compared seeds and husks and hypothesized that seeds are better based on scanty evidence and a rather speculative hypothesis. They found that the seeds reduced total and HDL cholesterol (yikes! not good) and increased bile acids as measured in the ileostomy bag. There's a speculative hypothesis that higher bile acid levels contribute to cancer because of observational study correlation Bile acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which is weak evidence. There are other possible explanations, such as differences in RS intakes, for one.

        This abstract even admits that the evidence for the bile acid link to cancer is "largely circumstantial": Role of bile acids in colorectal carcin... [Eur J Cancer. 1995 Jul-Aug] - PubMed - NCBI

        I am not interested in lowering my HDL and am more interested in increasing butyrate than bile acids, so the husks are sounding better to me.

        Tater's cited study does appear to suggest that the husk is beneficial, and it's true that the husks are the source of the mucilage (they are sometimes even called mucilage).
        Last edited by Paleophil; 12-10-2013, 07:58 PM.
        Originally posted by tatertot
        Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong.
        "our ancestors obtained resistant starch and other fermentable fibers by eating a diversity of wild plant foods, bulbs, corms, tubers, cattails, cactuses, and medicinal barks..." -Mark Sisson

        "I've long ago tossed the idea that a particular macro ratio is poison, and am now starting to think that the EM2…is defined less by novel NADS…and more by the gut microbiome and environmental pseudocommensals ..." -Kurt Harris, MD

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        • Psyllium fiber supplements and cancer

          I made the cookie dough using half homemade plantain flour and half Hi-Maize starch. It tastes so good!

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          • Originally posted by lotusberries View Post
            Oh wow! I've been experiencing this exact same thing. Started with potato starch a few weeks ago and I've been clenching like crazy, even when I'm awake. I've been wearing my bite splint around the house because I can't stop clenching my jaw. And my sleep has been weird. I used to be able to fall asleep fast and sleep all night, but since the PS it's been really intermittent. Sleep for 3 hours, awake for 3 hours, maybe fall asleep again for an hour and a half if I'm lucky. I didn't even think of it being connected to the PS so I'm thinking of stopping for a week and see if it improves.
            Not sure what to think about the clenching...easy way to find out, stop Rs for a week and see what happens. my guess is it's unrelated, you are just aware of things more since you started something new--like when you get a new filling and keep licking it with your tongue til your jaw is sore.

            Originally posted by Paleophil View Post
            Tater, have you noticed increased benefit since you added psyllium husk to RS?


            I am not interested in lowering my HDL and am more interested in increasing butyrate than bile acids, so the husks are sounding better to me.

            Tater's cited study does appear to suggest that the husk is beneficial, and it's true that the husks are the source of the mucilage (they are sometimes even called mucilage).
            I have not been that crazy about psyllium. I bought a bottle of it 6 months ago and have used maybe half. it doesn't mix well with things cause it's so gummy and I'm not that convinced it's needed. The study does suggest it helps move RS further along, but that doesn't really convince me it's MANDATORY. Just one of those things...

            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
            Psyllium fiber supplements and cancer

            I made the cookie dough using half homemade plantain flour and half Hi-Maize starch. It tastes so good!
            I want to try Hi-Maize one of these days. it's about half the strength of potato starch, 5g per TBS vs 8g for PS. Just to keep in mind when shooting for 20-40g/day, What's your cookie dough recipe?
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            • Well, after a couple of weeks f having 2 teaspoons of potato starch mixed in either water or kefir two times day, I finally upped it to 4 teaspoons 3 times a day.OMG, the wind! (gas!) AWFUL!!! And actually to a point of being painful, so that sleeping is affected. I shall cut back today and tomorrow (visiting the dentist tomorrow morning...) and reintroduce on Friday.

              Psyllium seed powder - I am planning to blend some into todays batch of hummus when I make it and add more liquid than usual to allow for the gelling properties of the powder. Presumably hummus (chick peas) is a reasonable source of RS?

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              • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                Well, after a couple of weeks f having 2 teaspoons of potato starch mixed in either water or kefir two times day, I finally upped it to 4 teaspoons 3 times a day.OMG, the wind! (gas!) AWFUL!!! And actually to a point of being painful, so that sleeping is affected. I shall cut back today and tomorrow (visiting the dentist tomorrow morning...) and reintroduce on Friday.

                Psyllium seed powder - I am planning to blend some into todays batch of hummus when I make it and add more liquid than usual to allow for the gelling properties of the powder. Presumably hummus (chick peas) is a reasonable source of RS?

                Sorry 'bout the wind! It happens. Play with dose and it will all work out. Yes, hummus is good for RS.
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                • Originally posted by tatertot View Post
                  I want to try Hi-Maize one of these days. it's about half the strength of potato starch, 5g per TBS vs 8g for PS. Just to keep in mind when shooting for 20-40g/day, What's your cookie dough recipe?
                  I used your cookie dough recipe, but substituting half Hi-Maize for half the plantain flour. I made the plantain flour from plantains I dried and then ground in the blender.

                  I need a better way to dry plantains. My oven dries them too slowly to do a lot, and my dehydrator gets too hot.

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                  • Originally posted by lotusberries View Post
                    Oh wow! I've been experiencing this exact same thing. Started with potato starch a few weeks ago and I've been clenching like crazy, even when I'm awake. I've been wearing my bite splint around the house because I can't stop clenching my jaw. And my sleep has been weird. I used to be able to fall asleep fast and sleep all night, but since the PS it's been really intermittent. Sleep for 3 hours, awake for 3 hours, maybe fall asleep again for an hour and a half if I'm lucky. I didn't even think of it being connected to the PS so I'm thinking of stopping for a week and see if it improves.
                    I thought for sure I'd be the only one w/this side effect!
                    Yesterday I increased from 2 1/2 tsp. twice daily to 1 Tbsp. twice. My sleep was disrupted last night. But I wasn't clenching as much! I'll stick at 2 Tbsps/day until my sleep improves, I don't think it will take more than a couple of days. Otherwise, I'm feeling fine on 2 Tbsps. Not much gas, and what there is thankfully doesn't smell at all!

                    How much potato starch are you taking, lotus? And did you ramp up slowly or dive in? You might just want to back off of the amount you're taking. When I initially jumped in too quickly, I slept horribly. I dropped the dose down and my sleep improved. Last night was the first night it wasn't great, but I still felt like I was sleeping deeply, despite tossing and turning.

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                    • Article from today on butyrate--the end product of RS. EXCELLENT READING!
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                      • I made another batch. This one was 1/3 tapioca starch, 1/3 hi-maize, and 1/3 potato starch, as I was out of plantain flour. I then added another 2/3 cup of hi-maize, as the dough was too soft. Then I added 2oz of melted unsweetened chocolate and 2oz of cocoa.

                        Eating cookie dough for science! It's a win!

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                        • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          I made another batch. This one was 1/3 tapioca starch, 1/3 hi-maize, and 1/3 potato starch, as I was out of plantain flour. I then added another 2/3 cup of hi-maize, as the dough was too soft. Then I added 2oz of melted unsweetened chocolate and 2oz of cocoa.

                          Eating cookie dough for science! It's a win!
                          Have you tried rolling them in balls and freezing? Makes it harder to eat them too fast.
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                          • Originally posted by tatertot View Post
                            Have you tried rolling them in balls and freezing? Makes it harder to eat them too fast.
                            The first batch is in the freezer. I think it's easier to handle them if the starch content is higher than the recipe originally called for.

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                            • Originally posted by Happy Paleo Girl View Post
                              I thought for sure I'd be the only one w/this side effect!
                              Yesterday I increased from 2 1/2 tsp. twice daily to 1 Tbsp. twice. My sleep was disrupted last night. But I wasn't clenching as much! I'll stick at 2 Tbsps/day until my sleep improves, I don't think it will take more than a couple of days. Otherwise, I'm feeling fine on 2 Tbsps. Not much gas, and what there is thankfully doesn't smell at all!

                              How much potato starch are you taking, lotus? And did you ramp up slowly or dive in? You might just want to back off of the amount you're taking. When I initially jumped in too quickly, I slept horribly. I dropped the dose down and my sleep improved. Last night was the first night it wasn't great, but I still felt like I was sleeping deeply, despite tossing and turning.
                              I started with 1 tbsp, but after a few days dropped it down to about 1 tsp because of the gas. I also had the odourless gas, but it was constant and I just couldn't handle it, so it's been about 1 tsp a day for the last few weeks. I'm starting the potato diet again tomorrow so I'm going to completely stop the potato starch and just rely on the potatoes and see what happens.

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                              • > "I found something that said there was a form of butyric acid in butter AND honey! The form is tributyrin, a form of butyric acid which is actually used in research studies to help the butyric acid not have such a short half-life." Butyrate Series, Part 6 | The HSD

                                > "Tributyrin (TB), a BA [butyric acid] prodrug present in milk fat and honey, has more favorable pharmacokinetic properties than BA, and its oral administration is also better tolerated. In vitro and in vivo studies have shown that TB acts on multiple anticancer cellular and molecular targets without affecting non-cancerous cells." Anticarcinogenic actions of tributyrin, a ... [Curr Drug Targets. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

                                Fascinating. Butter is obvious, but I'll bet that most Primal/Paleo dieters don't know that honey contains a butter acid compound that was found by at least one study to be more effective against cancer than plain butyric acid on its own.
                                Last edited by Paleophil; 12-11-2013, 07:52 PM.
                                Originally posted by tatertot
                                Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong.
                                "our ancestors obtained resistant starch and other fermentable fibers by eating a diversity of wild plant foods, bulbs, corms, tubers, cattails, cactuses, and medicinal barks..." -Mark Sisson

                                "I've long ago tossed the idea that a particular macro ratio is poison, and am now starting to think that the EM2…is defined less by novel NADS…and more by the gut microbiome and environmental pseudocommensals ..." -Kurt Harris, MD

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