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  • #31
    Well i want to be both, but more towards lean. I don't want to be big/bulky. That's why i thought keeping carbs low enough would help for that

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    • #32
      If you want to be lean with low muscalature then eat low carb. If you want to be lean with a lot of muscle then eat moderate carb.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
        If you want to be lean with low muscalature then eat low carb. If you want to be lean with a lot of muscle then eat moderate carb.
        Oh, horseshit. Why make such easily rebutted claims? You say you know metabolism....you should know better.

        OP the guy at the top of the page there in the photo eats low carb. If you consider that lean with low muscle then so be it. There are plenty of other well muscled individuals eating low carb. BTW I'm defining low carb as 150g or less, same as PB and same as Volek describe it....30% of a 2000 calorie diet for what OP is looking at.
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-22-2012, 01:21 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          Oh, horseshit. Why make such easily rebutted claims? You say you know metabolism....you should know better.
          Rebutted by folk who have destroyed their metabolism and are forced to eat very low carb.

          Most of the lean people I know eat high carb.

          Your ignorance about nutrition is apparent to anyone who knows anything about it. Your claims that vegetables are low in protein and that purified fats are high in micronutrients are hiliarious. You haven't got a clue.
          Last edited by paleo-bunny; 12-22-2012, 01:27 PM.
          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
            Rebutted by folk who have destroyed their metabolism and are forced to eat very low carb.

            Most of the lean people I know eat high carb.
            Which folks are you referring to? And on to the next....uhh so? Most of the lean people I know eat lower carb....how does that statement prove your original silly statement one way or another?

            Again it doesn't have to be a "carb or no carb" debate if people didn't attack the opposite with unfounded claims.

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            • #36
              So in my case, 50 grams is good or bad? Like i said, i feel great. But my problem is, my stomach isn't losing fat that fast enough. Is 1800 calories enough or eat more?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
                So in my case, 50 grams is good or bad? Like i said, i feel great. But my problem is, my stomach isn't losing fat that fast enough. Is 1800 calories enough or eat more?
                In your case you are a small guy. You should resistance train 2x/week intensely and make sure your ingesting enough protein first and foremost. After that eat PB foods. This can include healthy fats and carbs. Really there is no need for you to restrict to less than 50g/day. Up to 150g is fine for a young healthy fella thats working to increase muscle. The only thing I'm arguing with paleo-bunny about is her silly claim that one can not eat low carb and be well muscled at the same time. I eat 100g or less carbs a day and am quite well muscled. I will admit that I have a very long history of weight training and athletics in my past....its very hard to actually become weak once you have gotten very strong.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-22-2012, 01:31 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                  Which folks are you referring to? And on to the next....uhh so? Most of the lean people I know eat lower carb....how does that statement prove your original silly statement one way or another?

                  Again it doesn't have to be a "carb or no carb" debate if people didn't attack the opposite with unfounded claims.
                  I find you one of silliest most aggressive people posting here. You wouldn't know a scientific argument if it bit you on the bum.
                  F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                  • #39
                    Oh ok. I eat a lot of fat now and protein is at about 100 grams. 4 eggs for breakfast, big salad for lunch with some meat, and 4 chicken thighs for dinner. Should i cut down on fat? That's well over 120 grams of fat. I put a lot of olive oil on my salad too

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
                      Oh ok. I eat a lot of fat now and protein is at about 100 grams. 4 eggs for breakfast, big salad for lunch with some meat, and 4 chicken thighs for dinner. Should i cut down on fat? That's well over 120 grams of fat. I put a lot of olive oil on my salad too

                      Nah, that looks like a good amount there.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
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                        Your ignorance about nutrition is apparent to anyone who knows anything about it. Your claims that vegetables are low in protein and that purified fats are high in micronutrients are hiliarious. You haven't got a clue.
                        Where do you come up with this now? Can you not stick to a conversation? We were talking about the ability or inability for a person eating low carb to also be well muscled. You said that they could not....I said there are plenty of people who in fact blow your theory out of the water. Is this some attempt by you to switch the focus to some other subject?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
                          Oh ok. I eat a lot of fat now and protein is at about 100 grams. 4 eggs for breakfast, big salad for lunch with some meat, and 4 chicken thighs for dinner. Should i cut down on fat? That's well over 120 grams of fat. I put a lot of olive oil on my salad too
                          Try exchanging fat for starch and see if that helps increase your strength and build muscle. A lot of us here find that that helps.

                          It's very important to experiment and find what works best for you.
                          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            Where do you come up with this now? Can you not stick to a conversation? We were talking about the ability or inability for a person eating low carb to also be well muscled. You said that they could not....I said there are plenty of people who in fact blow your theory out of the water. Is this some attempt by you to switch the focus to some other subject?
                            Your ego sounds very rattled.
                            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                            • #44
                              Guys i'm sure both of you are right in some way. I made this thread so i can get ideas

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                                Your ego sounds very rattled.
                                K, good nuff for me .

                                Actually OP: I think moderate carb (or at least the 100-150g maintenance) level would be just fine for your goals. Was simply pointing out a fallacy that popped up in the process though.
                                Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-22-2012, 01:44 PM.

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