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  • Yeah I'm not a "Peatarian" but I'm gonna respond to this anyway.

    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Well said. A Peat metabolism would be having the shakes if deprived of sugar.

    IMO this whole Peat discussion is pointless. YB presents her "Peat diet" that is nothing more than high(ER) carb primal. What is point in arguing these tiny distinctions?
    So a Peat-eater goes crazy without sugar, but a typical peat diet is just "high carb primal"? You can't have it both ways, lol. Either a Peat diet doesn't work, or it does work and it's just akin to higher carb primal. It can't be both an acceptable, healthy variation of primal and something that causes "the shakes" if you follow it.

    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    It is written just vaguely enough that anyone can find something in it that speaks to them and decide they have found The Truth.
    This doesn't make anything sense: none of Peat's internet writings give protocols/plans/strict advice/"blueprints." He just writes about various phenomena, and publishes his information online for free (kinda like a more-sciencey Mark Sisson, except Peat isn't selling things). He's not writing vaguely at all; the only way you could interpret him as vague is if you are assuming that he's another diet guru, which he isn't. The people that obsessively try to plan a diet on what Peat wants are crazy, but you can't fault Peat for that. Everyone could learn something from his writings---regardless of whether or not you plan on drinking milk and OJ.

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    • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
      This discussion long-since bored me
      The discussion has long-since ended. Now it's just a place for people who follow Peat to talk about how good they smell

      Although now Paleobird is back that might change...

      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
      I never said sugar caused cancer
      No, it definitely wasn't you. It was some dope on the Steve Jobs thread, speculating that his fructose diet gave him cancer.

      IMO this whole Peat discussion is pointless. YB presents her "Peat diet" that is nothing more than high(ER) carb primal. What is point in arguing these tiny distinctions?
      Originally posted by F.Fellini View Post
      So a Peat-eater goes crazy without sugar, but a typical peat diet is just "high carb primal"? You can't have it both ways, lol. Either a Peat diet doesn't work, or it does work and it's just akin to higher carb primal. It can't be both an acceptable, healthy variation of primal and something that causes "the shakes" if you follow it.
      What Fellini said

      Actually I don't label myself anything. I just like Ray Peat, and many of his suggestions work for me. But if I needed a label, yeah - I could just as easily be Primal.

      People here who read Peat always maintain that there are a lot of similarities between the diets. The Primal people can't seem to accept that The difference is that hard-core PBers fear sugar and insulin spikes, while hard core Peatatarians fear PUFA and thyroid malfunctions.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • Originally posted by F.Fellini View Post
        Yeah I'm not a "Peatarian" but I'm gonna respond to this anyway.



        So a Peat-eater goes crazy without sugar, but a typical peat diet is just "high carb primal"? You can't have it both ways, lol. Either a Peat diet doesn't work, or it does work and it's just akin to higher carb primal. It can't be both an acceptable, healthy variation of primal and something that causes "the shakes" if you follow it.



        This doesn't make anything sense: none of Peat's internet writings give protocols/plans/strict advice/"blueprints." He just writes about various phenomena, and publishes his information online for free (kinda like a more-sciencey Mark Sisson, except Peat isn't selling things). He's not writing vaguely at all; the only way you could interpret him as vague is if you are assuming that he's another diet guru, which he isn't. The people that obsessively try to plan a diet on what Peat wants are crazy, but you can't fault Peat for that. Everyone could learn something from his writings---regardless of whether or not you plan on drinking milk and OJ.
        OOOooooh! Let me!

        First she said "YB's" peat diet was high carb primal..... NOT.... that the Peat diet generally reported is. So you needs to pay attention cause there IS a difference!

        Then you say this......"This doesn't make anything sense: none of Peat's internet writings give protocols/plans/strict advice/"blueprints."

        And you have basically proved PB's point. Its a vague set of discombobulated articles. Design what you will out of it and call it "Peat".

        Anyhow, eat what you want and call it what you want I say. Anything anybody on this board is doing is better than SAD so Grok on!
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-25-2013, 03:00 PM.

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        • Sigh.
          Threads like this make me sad.
          I came here to learn more about Primal and to be supported in following it.
          I didn't come here for arguments.
          I don't give a flying F about these other guys (peat, Stone, who ever they are).

          If those of you who do their plans love it, that is great for you. Please go to their sites and have your conversations.

          Last time I looked this was the Primal Blueprint site.
          Starting Weight: 197.5
          Current Weight: 123
          Far healthier!

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          • @ FF. No, I said YB's diet is just high(ER) carb Primal and I have no problem with it. I do object to people trying to pass candy, soda, large quantities of coffee, and cigarettes off as health promoting. While saying that nuts and salmon are bad for you. Common sense has left the building.

            Someone on a seriously high sugar version of peat (such as Derp) would have a blood sugar crash if forced to go without sugar. YB's diet is very sensible and works for her. Cool.

            See, this is what I was saying. Peat's writings are vague enough that, if you want to claim you are "eating Peat", you can.

            I eat fruit, cheese, liver, shellfish. See I'm a Peatarian!

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            • Originally posted by janie View Post
              Sigh.
              Threads like this make me sad.
              I came here to learn more about Primal and to be supported in following it.
              I didn't come here for arguments.
              I don't give a flying F about these other guys (peat, Stone, who ever they are).

              If those of you who do their plans love it, that is great for you. Please go to their sites and have your conversations.

              Last time I looked this was the Primal Blueprint site.
              Thank you. Just, thank you.

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              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                Peat's writings are vague enough that, if you want to claim you are "eating Peat", you can.

                I eat fruit, cheese, liver, shellfish. See I'm a Peatarian!
                I think it's all about the belief behind the eats

                Originally posted by janie View Post
                Sigh.
                Threads like this make me sad.
                I came here to learn more about Primal and to be supported in following it.
                I didn't come here for arguments.
                I don't give a flying F about these other guys (peat, Stone, who ever they are).

                If those of you who do their plans love it, that is great for you. Please go to their sites and have your conversations.

                Last time I looked this was the Primal Blueprint site.
                Don't you contribute to the SLD thread? I wasn't aware that Mark Scission designed that too.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • I've incorporated the oil dose into Primal. Not contradictory since good oils are allowed in the Primal plan.

                  And I'm not attacking and arguing with people who follow Primal as many here do.

                  It is fine if people find another way that works for them. They should go there and do that.
                  Starting Weight: 197.5
                  Current Weight: 123
                  Far healthier!

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    I think it's all about the belief behind the eats

                    Don't you contribute to the SLD thread? I wasn't aware that Mark Scission designed that too.
                    OK, I'll bite. What belief would that be? If you can't even pin Peat down to a dietary plan, how can you say there is a fundamental belief there?

                    BTW, that was catty at Janie about the SLD. SLD is just a plan that finds a way to include fat in the diet that works for some people. It's not my cup of tea but it's not at all incompatible with Primal. People going around bragging about their drug use, booze, smoking, candy, pizza, and soda consumption. Now that is incompatible with Primal.

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                    • Originally posted by janie View Post
                      I didn't come here for arguments.
                      The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        See, this is what I was saying. Peat's writings are vague enough that, if you want to claim you are "eating Peat", you can.

                        I eat fruit, cheese, liver, shellfish. See I'm a Peatarian!
                        Exactly! So why are we criticizing Peat again??? There's a lot of hate among strict primal-blueprinters for Peat, when all I'm trying to say is that shouldn't be the case.

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                        • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          And you have basically proved PB's point. Its a vague set of discombobulated articles. Design what you will out of it and call it "Peat".
                          Yeah exactly! So why are people here so anti-Peat??? In my opinion, it's ridiculous to mobilize all this anger over "a vague set of discombobulated articles"---which is precisely what Peat's writings are.

                          He's not a diet guru, he's a scientist anyone could learn from. Even if your way of eating is the exact opposite of his.

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                          • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            OK, I'll bite. What belief would that be? If you can't even pin Peat down to a dietary plan, how can you say there is a fundamental belief there?
                            The fact that you can't pin Peat down to a dietary plan is what makes him GOOD, not what makes him bad. There's more than enough diet plans to go around in this world.

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                            • Yoga - that is awesome the new way of eating is working for you! Lately I've been migrating a lot toward a similar diet, minimizing my starch and raising my sugar intake. I still keep PUFA very low, began drinking orange juice, use tons of gelatin, and am looking to add liver and oysters.

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                              • Originally posted by F.Fellini View Post
                                Exactly! So why are we criticizing Peat again??? There's a lot of hate among strict primal-blueprinters for Peat, when all I'm trying to say is that shouldn't be the case.
                                I'm criticizing people who eat junk and pollute their bodies with chemicals who then presume to give advice on a Primal forum. I have no problem with people who choose to eat a higher carb version of Primal such as YB.

                                Peat is not really that important. He bases all his reasoning on faulty premises and then adds lots of science-y sounding stuff to the chain of logic after that. OK, he is a scientist so he does that well, but a faulty premise undercuts the whole thing.

                                Having a racing heart rate and a high body temp are not good indicators of health. All the other stuff is about how to achieve that heart thumping hot goal. But if the initial premise doesn't hold water, what is the point?

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