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    So, this is tangentially nutrition related, and I wanted to get your opinions.

    I went out for pho With a friend of mine today and apparently I offended him greatly with my order.

    He's Vietnamese tried and true, and this DOES relate to our argument.

    I was remembering Mark's recent post on whether or not pho is primal. He said he orders his with reduced noodles and several people commented that they order theirs without noodles at all, and with extra veggies and meat. I decided to ask the waitress to hold the noodles and put extra meat and veggies in it. She said that was fine.

    When the waitress had left my friend turned to me and said "We're at a pho restaurant and you didn't order pho. Are you stupid?"

    "How did I not order pho? We both have great bowls of soup coming. I just got mine sans noodles."

    "Pho means 'noodle broth' dude. Without noodles it's no longer pho."

    "What? How so?"

    "God man, I'm so embarrassed. I take my friend out for pho and he doesn't order pho. Way to make the Vietnamese guy look like an idiot. I can't ever have pho with you again. Ugh, why do you have to offend my culture like that?"

    So, uh, I'm still not sure why he made such a big deal out of it. Yeesh. He was really pissed at me.

    Do the noodles REALLY define what pho is? Does a lack of noodles mean that it immediately ceases to be pho (since the word TECHNICALLY means "noodle broth"), or am I missing something here?
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

  • #2
    the noodles totally define it.
    he still didn't have to be such a dick about it and go to the "why do you have to offend my culture" zone...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jakey View Post
      the noodles totally define it.
      he still didn't have to be such a dick about it and go to the "why do you have to offend my culture" zone...
      Yes, he was being a dick about it. I mean the waitress (also Vietnamese) was totally fine with me changing my order. And even if it's not TECHNICALLY pho anymore, it's still Vietnamese food.

      It's not like I went into the restaurant and asked for a pizza or something like that.
      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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      • #4
        If your Vietnamese friend was offended by this, then surely the Vietnamese waitress was offended too. The broth may have been sans noodles, but it definitely wasn't sans spit or other bodily fluids. Just sayin'.
        Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
          If your Vietnamese friend was offended by this, then surely the Vietnamese waitress was offended too. The broth may have been sans noodles, but it definitely wasn't sans spit or other bodily fluids. Just sayin'.
          ...

          Thanks for this informative reply.
          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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          • #6
            Tell your friend the word pho is actually derived from a French term for beef stew and you weren't offending his culture, you were honoring his culture's erstwhile colonial masters. Or you can leave off the "masters" part but it is still a viet-afied version of pot-au-feu. In a very good way mind you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Him View Post
              Tell your friend the word pho is actually derived from a French term for beef stew and you weren't offending his culture, you were honoring his culture's erstwhile colonial masters. Or you can leave off the "masters" part but it is still a viet-afied version of pot-au-feu. In a very good way mind you.
              I doubt he'd listen to such a reasoned opinion as this at present. Maybe in a few days I'll attempt that. If I'm willing to accept that I may still open another can of worms.
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • #8
                Wow, what a strong reaction!

                I had pho the other day with my husband and ate every SINGLE NOODLE.

                They *are* rice noodles, not wheat.

                How come you didn't want to get any? Too big of a carb load?

                And I'm sure the waitress wasn't offended.

                I bet she sees a whole buncha whities in there ordering all kinds
                of crazy crap. If she gets paid and the restaurant gets money, what
                the heck do THEY care? Seriously.

                In any event, man, I don't know what I would have done if I were
                in your situation. Your dude bro totally flipped out.

                Julie

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post
                  Wow, what a strong reaction!

                  I had pho the other day with my husband and ate every SINGLE NOODLE.

                  They *are* rice noodles, not wheat.

                  How come you didn't want to get any? Too big of a carb load?

                  And I'm sure the waitress wasn't offended.

                  I bet she sees a whole buncha whities in there ordering all kinds
                  of crazy crap. If she gets paid and the restaurant gets money, what
                  the heck do THEY care? Seriously.

                  In any event, man, I don't know what I would have done if I were
                  in your situation. Your dude bro totally flipped out.

                  Julie
                  Well, when the bowl was over 90% noodles and like two pieces of meat from what I could see other people eating... What can I say? I like my meat!

                  Besides, a grain is still a grain. I'll eat small doses of rice because it's gluten free, but it still contains a lot of the other issues that are associated with grains beyond that. So small amounts? Fine. Big heaping wads of it? Still a grain, still other issues, decided it wasn't worth it. Besides, I wanted some veggies and meat with my soup, not just a bowl of rice in thin sauce basically. Substance!

                  Yeah, I doubt she gave a shit about it. Heh. Still trying to figure out why my friend flipped out on me.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #10
                    I think your friend overreacted big time. I mean, would we accuse someone who took the bun off their burger of insulting our culture because burgers come with buns? No. Maybe noodles are an integral part of pho, maybe not (I'm not Vietnamese, so have no idea) but he should respect your right to eat how you need to eat.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post
                      I think your friend overreacted big time. I mean, would we accuse someone who took the bun off their burger of insulting our culture because burgers come with buns? No. Maybe noodles are an integral part of pho, maybe not (I'm not Vietnamese, so have no idea) but he should respect your right to eat how you need to eat.
                      It was more how I WANTED to eat, not needed, but I get your point.
                      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                      • #12
                        As long as you weren't projecting your self-righteous diet bullshit on him, he had no reason to act like a baby over what you were eating. I can't stand a lot of food derived from certain cultures, to take that as a slight against them is just asinine.

                        However, to be out to eat and immediately think "what would Mark do in this situation?" is probably a sign you're slightly anal retentive and have a case of diet OCD.
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                        • #13
                          because he's a high strung dumbass

                          that's my guess, but he isn't my friend so i dunno
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            However, to be out to eat and immediately think "what would Mark do in this situation?" is probably a sign you're slightly anal retentive and have a case of diet OCD.
                            I wasn't TRYING to think of that, it just popped into my head because he'd posted about it recently. *shrugs* If he hadn't, I wouldn't have even considered "what he would have done."

                            Besides, I wanted to try something a bit different than my norm just for a change of pace. And might I say, despite his (my friend's) objections, I ate every bite of that shit because it was GOOOOOOOD.
                            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                              I wasn't TRYING to think of that, it just popped into my head because he'd posted about it recently. *shrugs* If he hadn't, I wouldn't have even considered "what he would have done."

                              Besides, I wanted to try something a bit different than my norm just for a change of pace. And might I say, despite his (my friend's) objections, I ate every bite of that shit because it was GOOOOOOOD.
                              Well, it's okay, it's your choice to eat what you want; your friend was clearly the one being the douche. The only way he would have been okay to react that way is if you went into extreme detail about why you didn't want noodles or something while mentioning primal diets and Mark Sisson. Then he could claim you're ruining his experience.

                              It'd be like me trying to explain to a friend of mine why I'm emptying 10 packets of sugar in the raw in my 32oz coffee cup while telling them they're going to deplete their glycogen stores by drinking their coffee black. Sure, I could but I'd just come off as a pretentious autistic jerkoff.

                              I'll save that for the internet.
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