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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Good for you for listening to your body. It's not your diet, it's your sleep or lack thereof.
    So its bad to listen to your body when feeling the effects of "carb flu" when pushing through low carb but this guy trys a few bananas for a couple days and bails and thats good?

    Ridiculous low carb mentality is ridiculous.

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    • Yes, I've already begun spreading rumors that I'll be going back to day shift in another year or so. I really do remain convinced there's no perfect way of eating, but feel strongly I've found one that works right here. Maybe more carbs are in order, perhaps as simple sugars or bloated weekends. I don't know. Maybe I really SHOULD go for skinny instead of strong.
      Crohn's, doing SCD

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      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
        So its bad to listen to your body when feeling the effects of "carb flu" when pushing through low carb but this guy trys a few bananas for a couple days and bails and thats good?

        Ridiculous low carb mentality is ridiculous.
        Carb flu is a symptom of transitioning from an un-natural state, being a constant sugar burner, to a more natural state of being able to burn both fuel sources or, as Mark calls it, being a fat burning beast. So yes, pushing through that is a good thing.

        Knifegill works ridiculously long hours on night shifts and then switches around from nights to days and back again. That is not natural for humans. I think micromanaging his diet is ridiculous when the cause of his problem is so obvious. I'm not telling him that low carb is best, just that diet is not the issue *in this case*.
        Last edited by Paleobird; 12-20-2012, 03:17 PM.

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        • Safe starch will make you stronger. Simple milk sugar can work if you are not lactose intolerant ... other simple sugars not.
          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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          • Knifegill works ridiculously long hours on night shifts and then switches around from nights to days and back again. I think micromanaging his diet is ridiculous when the cause of his problem is so obvious. I'm not telling him that low carb is best, just that diet is not the issue *in this case*.
            Maybe I can arrange to sleep all day everyday instead of switching.

            Safe starch will make you stronger. Simple milk sugar works ... other simple sugars not.
            Are you sure? I likes me some honey. And fruit doesn't spike blood sugar...
            Crohn's, doing SCD

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            • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
              Safe starch will make you stronger. Simple milk sugar can work if you are not lactose intolerant ... other simple sugars not.
              That's interesting PB - you mean you think lactose and starch are better than fructose (or sucrose)? I'm currently working more carbs back in and I'm naturally gravitating to greek yogurt and rice.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                Maybe I can arrange to sleep all day everyday instead of switching.
                You poor sweetie, you must be worn out. I think you should develop a nasty case of the I-want-to-get-some-rest flu and take about three days and just sleep/eat/repeat.

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                • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  Or find out what these guys are doing (except Demi Moore or Johnny Depp): 11 Celebrities Who Are Aging Backwards [Photos] : CollegeCandy – Life, Love & Style For The College Girl
                  They are celebrities... they are having skin treatments and peels in professional skin care/ plastic surgeons offices.
                  All. The. Time.
                  “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                  And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                  • I like a bit of honey too but safe starch is way superior for spiking insulin and helping me build muscle and strength. Fructose has never come close to satisfying me or making me feel so calm, contented and energised as safe starch has. Fructose is great for boosting my immune system when I'm coming down with an infection, as it is so inflammatory.
                    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                    • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                      They are celebrities... they are having skin treatments and peels in professional skin care/ plastic surgeons offices.
                      All. The. Time.
                      Well, it was actually a joke, but I work in TV and you can see immediately the celebs that are getting work done. Keanu Reeves looks pretty natural.
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                        Fructose is great for boosting my immune system when I'm coming down with an infection, as it is so inflammatory.
                        I can't believe I didn't consider that eating inflammatory foods could actually be beneficial. That makes a lot of sense.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                          That's interesting PB - you mean you think lactose and starch are better than fructose (or sucrose)? I'm currently working more carbs back in and I'm naturally gravitating to greek yogurt and rice.
                          Yes, milk sugar is happily fructose free.

                          Fructose is 100 times as inflammatory and as carcinogenic as glucose. It has to be detoxed by the liver - or guzzled up by cancer cells. Anyone on a low-carb diet is doomed to obtaining the vast majority of their carbs from fructose (or cellulose if they count that) in order to obtain adequate antioxidants from plant sources.

                          White rice offers safe carbs with relatively low nutrient value (and only slightly better than coconut oil and butter as /empty calories') - not a problem so long as the rest of your intake consists of highly nutritious foods and you are not on a chronic low-calorie diet.
                          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                          • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                            Well, it was actually a joke, but I work in TV and you can see immediately the celebs that are getting work done. Keanu Reeves looks pretty natural.
                            Yeah, acid peels and such skin treatments leave a natural look, not like the heavier procedures. They just freshen up the skin and keep the actors looking younger, wrinkles finer, less age spots and blemishes... all of that. That's what I was referring to.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • +1 for getting off of the shifts and sorting your sleep out. Yes a good diet can help reduce the damage shift work/disrupted sleep causes, but even Robb Wolf has said that really he could've just called his book "Sleep, ya big dummy!".

                              Of course, you could always try these too
                              If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

                              Originally posted by tfarny
                              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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                              • Totally forgot about iron. Get your iron levels as that can definitely have an effect on accelerated aging. As far as starch and fruit they will take at least a week or 2 before your gut adapts to the change. It took me a few weeks from what I can remember.

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