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  • There are a million products that you can put on the skin (lotions, masks, gels, etc.) that will hydrate and plump the skin and therefore temporarily reduce the look of fine lines and wrinkles. However... the ONLY way to actually reduce them is to increase the turnover on skin cells, like when we were younger. To do this exfoliation is necessary, either chemical or mechanical.

    Chemical is cheaper in some ways... and can be gentle.
    Mechanical (done right) requires very fine particles and a larger expense up front usually.

    One of the best chemical exfoliants is Lactic Acid.
    It's not as gnarly as the glycolics, and therefore harder to burn yourself with at home... but you can still get good results.
    Plus it's cheap... if you know where to buy it. (Hint: not from silly face shops by the .3 oz)
    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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    • Knife, after 2 days of eating lots of sweet potatoes I find myself can't look at them 'til next week
      Listen to your gut, vary the diet with fruits.
      Everything is bad for something - How do you feel today?

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      • ITT: fat people talking about actually lean people like its something bad, fucking ridiculous.

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        • Skincare junkie here, not reading all 16 pages of comments, but here we go:

          1) Everyone has to choose a little body fat vs. some wrinkles. Unless you'd like to opt for a face full of fillers. Not a good look on anyone, and especially not on a man.

          2) Eschewing sunscreen is plain STUPID. Telling fair skinned people to soak up as much unprotected sun exposure as possible is irresponsible. Mark looks great with a tan. My ginger ass had a skin cancer scare at the tender age of 24, and I've never been tan. Wear the frickin' sunscreen. (I have a little chuckle whenever a dark skinned friend complains about *gasp* getting a sunburn...)

          3) Skincare routine. Gotta do it. Gentle periodic exfoliation, mild cleansing, sunscreen, moisture barrier of your choice, a good topical Vit C (philosophy makes an absolutely amazing one, cheap on Amazon), and something a little richer around the eye area, but never the eyelid. Skincare takes less time than your morning poo. Do it.

          4) I'm assuming that since you're Primal, you are indeed getting enough sleep. Sleep deprivation and out of whack circadian rhythms are skin's number one enemy.

          5) Obviously, genetics are a factor, but not necessarily your skin's ultimate fate.

          For the record, I find mid-30's aged men hot as hell. And there's always the beard option. Nothing wrong with a little maturity/beard-action on a man's face, ifyaknowwhatimsayin'...
          “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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          • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post

            One of the best chemical exfoliants is Lactic Acid.
            It's not as gnarly as the glycolics, and therefore harder to burn yourself with at home... but you can still get good results.
            Plus it's cheap... if you know where to buy it. (Hint: not from silly face shops by the .3 oz)
            Where do you buy it? I had some expensive exfoliant and the label said "with lactic acid". I wanted to recreate it because it appeared to be just rice flour with the magic LA and some essential oils.
            Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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            • You know, without pictures, this thread is kind of sucky. I want examples.

              I, on the other hand, look exactly my age, so I don't need to provide a picture.

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              • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                Where do you buy it? I had some expensive exfoliant and the label said "with lactic acid". I wanted to recreate it because it appeared to be just rice flour with the magic LA and some essential oils.
                I was talking about lactic acid to do peels with ... I buy 88% lactic acid then dilute it.
                Amazon.com... buy it from the beer making suppliers 5oz for about $10 instead of more like a tiny little kit with .5oz for $20+

                There are numerous tutorials for doing at home lactic acid peels on youtube or blogs by googling.
                All you need is the Lactic Acid. I dilute mine by half to make it 44%, or 1/3 to make it 66%, because 88% is REALLY strong and you have to use it a while to get your skin up to handling that strength.

                Also you need baking soda in water to neutralize the peel when you are done.
                Application is with a fan brush, approx 1 in, so that you don't drip it.
                A good acid peel doesn't really cause all of your skin to peel off like the serious ones they do in the plastic surgery centers. I would never try to do that.
                It just helps your skin cells turn over quicker.
                Also... baking soda in water to neutralize the acid when the time is up...

                The same lactic acid could be used for other things... you'd just need to be good at the math I suppose. And need to know the pH of the other ingredients so that you'd know how they are going to affect the final outcome...
                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                • Yes, pictures would be awesome. Maybe a "guess my age" thread. I'm too chicken though, I just want to see everyone else!

                  I used to always look much younger than I was, however lately no one seems shocked that I'm married with my oldest child now 9 years old. I have to take this as a sign that I'm now looking my age. Lucky for me though, my husbands says I look exactly like I did at 19. Gotta love him for that whether it is true or not!
                  PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                  • Thanks for the info Cori. The product I have probably has just the tiniest pinch of LA in it.
                    Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                    • Bananas/lower fat not working out. Mega bloated and feeling weird. Back to high-fat!
                      Crohn's, doing SCD

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                      • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                        Bananas/lower fat not working out. Mega bloated and feeling weird. Back to high-fat!
                        Good for you for listening to your body. It's not your diet, it's your sleep or lack thereof.

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                        • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                          Bananas/lower fat not working out. Mega bloated and feeling weird. Back to high-fat!
                          It may be hormonal, especially if you have been dieting, and if this is the case then it takes almost the same amount of time as dieting down, to restore hormones, if eating at maintenance and with sufficient carbs...
                          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                          - Schopenhauer

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                          • Someone mentioned increasing your intake of fruits and vegetables. Totally right. We apparently understand an estimated 1% of the chemical makeup of these natural plant foods and the ways that they feed our bodies. I eat plenty of meat but only as an addition to fruit,veg, salads etc and I try to vary the ones I eat as much as possible, with the seasons, but also whatever I can get my hands on. Also my feeling is that coffee does age people, and that eating plenty of omega 3 - from oily fish and walnuts etc is going to help. Do you eat a lot of these foods?
                            Healthy is the new wealthy.

                            http://www.facebook.com/groups/ances...handnutrition/

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                            • Raw bananas do not sit nearly so well for me as cooked white potatoes without the skin, for starch with very low levels of toxins.

                              Go for an easy to digest starch - white rice or white potatoes that will spike your insulin.

                              Bananas fried in butter still work for me.
                              Last edited by paleo-bunny; 12-20-2012, 03:05 PM.
                              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                              • Or find out what these guys are doing (except Demi Moore or Johnny Depp): 11 Celebrities Who Are Aging Backwards [Photos] : CollegeCandy – Life, Love & Style For The College Girl
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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