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  • Well, contemplating this I've come to the conclusion that its hard to do anything that is outside of the cultural norm without blaming it when some mishap (or perceived mishap) occurs.

    I was reading another board where a keto dieter (male and middleaged) fell and broke his arm. Fairly straight forward right? The first think he asks is has the past 4 years of keto made me more likely to break bones (cause nobody who eats carbs can break an arm right)? No indications of loss in bone mass or any other objective findings to support such a view.....except that his diet is different than most. I think it lingers in the back of the mind of anyone doing anything just a bit different from those around them. Even if you have ample historical and physiological evidence to back it up.

    Just my thought. I'm not saying that its the case everytime, but there is definitely a psychological affect.
    Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-17-2012, 06:25 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
      Low-carb dropped the body fat and feels great. My joints are totally normal now, etc. BUT I was living on grains before, and have not honestly given long-term moderate carb Primal a shot. I'm going to aim for 33/33/33 for awhile and see how it goes. As of today, I'm extremely bloated from the bananas. I look about 15 pounds heavier, all on my distended abdomen. I expect I'll always be bloated and uncomfortable eating more carbs, but I'll give it at least a few weeks to see if I can't adapt.
      If your going to go moderate carb I'd recommend the PHD (Perfect Health Diet) book. They make a fine case for it, but still rely on majority of calories as fat based on their research. I believe you would end up at 50f/30c/20p on a plan like theirs, but its really worth the read if your going that route.

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      • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
        If your going to go moderate carb I'd recommend the PHD (Perfect Health Diet) book. They make a fine case for it, but still rely on majority of calories as fat based on their research. I believe you would end up at 50f/30c/20p on a plan like theirs, but its really worth the read if your going that route.
        I would second this. Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life Lots of great info!
        65lbs gone and counting!!

        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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        • Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life That guy is easily 40 pounds overweight. No thanks. I can tweak things Mark style.

          Sweet potatoes just gave me a giant diarrhea (sorry, been dying to put it that way!), so I'm laying off of them for awhile. Eventually I'll try to reincorporate them, I was able to digest them just a month or so ago, so I think my gut just needs a slight reminder.

          I'm sure this has been brought up, but maybe you just don't digest fructose well. How about upping on the rice or sweet potatoes?
          Not to be defiant, I'm totally taking this all into consideration. White rice would just be odd. I fear it will make me fat. :ROLLEYES: No, really, I'm conditioned against carbs in general now. Simple sugars are on the menu, but this will take some time.

          Well, contemplating this I've come to the conclusion that its hard to do anything that is outside of the cultural norm without blaming it when some mishap (or perceived mishap) occurs.

          I was reading another board where a keto dieter (male and middleaged) fell and broke his arm. Fairly straight forward right? The first think he asks is has the past 4 years of keto made me more likely to break bones (cause nobody who eats carbs can break an arm right)? No indications of loss in bone mass or any other objective findings to support such a view.....except that his diet is different than most. I think it lingers in the back of the mind of anyone doing anything just a bit different from those around them. Even if you have ample historical and physiological evidence to back it up.

          Just my thought. I'm not saying that its the case everytime, but there is definitely a psychological affect.
          While it could be stress alone, I recall just recently looking younger when eating lots of dandelion and drinking green tea, before I increased my protein. It is probably just some sort of residual effect lingering in my skin from metabolizing meat, I don't know.
          Last edited by Knifegill; 12-17-2012, 07:54 AM.
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • Mark style is more like 60/20/20 and without much starch then . PHD is basically where all this "safe starch" stuff got started. Its paleo+ safe starch approach. If your interested in the progenitors of the "we need some starch" theory anyhow........and I don't disagree. He does look a bit puffy. But he's puffy without wrinkles! Coincidence?
            Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-17-2012, 08:24 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
              A great short article with some tips and remedies on how to deal with dry, aging skin. Thanks to Glen Lalonde, of the Toronto Paleo Facebook group:

              Home Remedies for Facial Wrinkles
              Great info, Lu, bookmarking it. Thx

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              • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                If your going to go moderate carb I'd recommend the PHD (Perfect Health Diet) book. They make a fine case for it, but still rely on majority of calories as fat based on their research. I believe you would end up at 50f/30c/20p on a plan like theirs, but its really worth the read if your going that route.
                I agree, I LOVE that book. Smart folks.

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                • There is no such thing as "safe starch." Only toxic foods.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    There is no such thing as "safe starch." Only toxic foods.
                    No matter if you recognize the term or not....it is an ongoing debate in the ancestral health movement.

                    The most recent panel on it here:

                    Ancestral Health Symposium 2012 - AHS2012

                    I think its actually called "Safe Starches: Are They Essential on an Ancestral Diet?"

                    A couple of post mortems here:

                    Even in a state of starvation blood glucose is maintained right up until death. What this really shows is that even if you are starving, and eating no carbohydrates, or fat, or protein, there is no such thing as "glucose deficiency". The body can eas
                    AHS 2012: The Safe Starches Panel | Perfect Health Diet

                    As to the "only toxic foods" bit well....the dose makes the poison.

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                    • Oh, the bananas. The unlimited bananas! 5 at a time, anytime I want!
                      Crohn's, doing SCD

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                      • ^Good luck man.

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                        • He he. Yeah. This might not last long.
                          Crohn's, doing SCD

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                          • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                            Oh, the bananas. The unlimited bananas! 5 at a time, anytime I want!
                            30 Bananas a day BABY!

                            Just kidding...
                            Also, great skin.
                            A. Genetics.
                            B. Sub cutaneous fat.
                            C. Exposure to the elements (sun and shit)
                            D. Stress.
                            E. Diet.
                            F. AGE... the older you are the slower skin cells turn over, thus WRINKLES.

                            They all play a role. The last three are more tossable that the first two. Great genetics for clear skin and low wrinkles (read: your skin makes an assload of collagen) is tops. Subcutaneous fat in your face is a natural filler of wrinkles. Lose fat, wrinkles appear. Some extremely famous actress/model (Sophia Loren maybe?) once said something like "At some point every woman must choose, her face... or her ass" (not exactly the quote, but the gist). A little extra ass in the later years means a prettier, less wrinkled face.

                            No one thing is causing this dude.
                            It's a mix of things. Don't be a reductionist.
                            Last edited by cori93437; 12-17-2012, 11:36 AM.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                              Even in a state of starvation blood glucose is maintained right up until death. What this really shows is that even if you are starving, and eating no carbohydrates, or fat, or protein, there is no such thing as “glucose deficiency”. The body can easily make what it needs.


                              Heh, try saying that to an endurance athlete that "hits the wall"!, but that's not a glucose deficency I suppose, just insufficient to meet the demands...
                              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                              - Schopenhauer

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                              • I know there's 15 pages that I did not read...
                                But IMO a lot of it could be from your sleep schedule. That constant shifting has to be pretty rough on your body.
                                And for younger looking skin, try a clay mask (clay mixed with a 1:2 ratio of Apple Cider Vinegar and pure water) followed by CellFood skin gel.
                                I never know what to put in these things. I write songs!

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