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    Hi im new to this, have had a lot of questions and been trying to learn as much as i can.
    anyway, i was just talking to a friend that told me he was putting 3/4 a stick of butter in his morning coffee and eating very little if anything until dinner, which wasnt a big meal either. and said he's lost over 10lbs. so i looked into the bulletproof coffee thing and from what im understanding, its supposed to be a big energy boost in the morning and keep you pretty full the rest of the day.

    I'm trying to loose weight, im male, 5'10 normally around 155 and want to get to around 140-145. im currently at about 150-151, and have been kinda stuck here. im usually eating mixed veggies and eggs in the morning and a small amount of fruit. then veggies in the afternoon, and usually some kind of meat(usually chicken or salmon) and some more veggies for dinner. i havent been as active as normal this week so that might be part of my problem. its been about 5 days since i started. dropped the initial 3lbs or so very quickly.

    so anyway, first question is, would the bulletproof coffee thing be a good idea for me to try? in my little bit of research its been hard to tell if its a weight loss thing or more of an energy booster. and if so any tips on my daily diet/meals to help with the goal of loosing weight? should i use butter? cream? certain oils?

    and my other question is can you do this with tea? i love teas and feel like this would be great with chai and other black teas.

    any tips would be great, thanks!

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    To answer your 2nd question, you can certainly add butter to your tea. In fact, in the Himalayas the locals drink yak's butter tea. I've found unsalted is better ;-)
    Didn't really like it with coconut oil though.

    I don't know the science behind the bulletproof coffee, but we are naturally generally in a ketotic state when we wake after fasting all night, so having fat first thing would fuel that state. Especially the medium chain triglycerides in the coconut oil, which are readily used to produce ketones iirc.
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    • #3
      For some people, drinking that much fat will decrease appetite, the OP said his friend lasted until dinner with his coffee, which is a pretty good fast. I don't know if it'll work the same way for everyone, especially those of us who are in the small side or those who need food for satiety.
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      • #4
        Sounds like my kinda tea! I don't like coffee, so I've been thinking about this bulletproof tea.
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        • #5
          How do people add 80-120 grams of fat to coffee and not crap their brains out? Seems like it would be the perfect laxative.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zach View Post
            How do people add 80-120 grams of fat to coffee and not crap their brains out? Seems like it would be the perfect laxative.
            n=1 is best. why don't you give it a go and report back your findings? ;-)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zach View Post
              How do people add 80-120 grams of fat to coffee and not crap their brains out? Seems like it would be the perfect laxative.
              uh... the same way I add 1/2c heavy cream to my protein shake every morning and run all day like a champ?

              same difference, right? Fat is fat
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              • #8
                I've been drinking some kind of bulletproof coffee for breakfast for the last 8 months. Mostly because it's convenient (time-saver), I don't like to really eat in the morning, and prolonging the ketogenic state keeps my mind at peace. It's "some sort of bulletproof coffee" as there's no coconut oil or butter in it but plain full cream. Two cups of Joe gives me 250ml of full cream so that's 830+kcal; 90% from fat. Keeps me satiated from 7am-1pm. I'm 5"10; 154lbs; +/- 10% bf. Next to eating my carbs at night I think it's the main cause of me being leaned out more while sustaining muscle mass.

                As I remember, in the beginning the stuff coming out of the other end was pretty liquid but after a week (maybe even a couple of days) that went away.

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                • #9
                  If that's all they're consuming all day until dinner and if the person is overweight then it's certainly possible to lose weight while eating that much fat in one sitting.
                  F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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                  • #10
                    im still pretty confused about this.

                    first, how can be consuming like 75 grams of fat in one sitting make you loose weight? i understand it boosts your energy but thats a ton of fat. i just dont get it...

                    and what does the rest of your diet look like? do you only drink the bulletproof coffee? like treat it kind of like a fast?
                    do you skip lunch and just have dinner? just eat small portions the rest of the day? or do you continue on your normal diet?

                    is there any reason to use coffee over tea? does the coffee give you something tea cannot? or is the coffee basically something to make it easy to consume the butter?

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                    • #11
                      For me personally, I eat two meals after the coffee breakfast (no snacks); often just veggies with some protein and a little fat. I eat the bulk of my carbs at dinner. Trying to shift all my carbs at night as I'm doing less and less MMA cardio so the carb front loading has become unnecessary. That's just my experience, but I may not be a standard case as I never really had to lose weight (my max. ever was 172lbs 2 years ago).

                      Losing weight, i.e. fat is done by changing the macro profile of your diet to moderate fat, moderate protein, low carb, which for most SD people means changing half to two-thirds of your carbs into fat and upping the protein to 75-100% grams of protein per lb body weight (I'd do 75% if you have to lose a lot of fat since a lot of our weight will be fat).

                      But you don't have to do bulletproof coffee if you'd rather eat rather than drink a fat liquid concoction. Any protein-fat breakfast is fine as long a you keep carbs low to none.

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                      • #12
                        I drink heavy cream in both coffee and chai - and love it both ways. Both beverages make a nice delivery vehicle for the cream . As for "how this works" -- the short version is that if any sugar (glucose or glycogen) is handy the body will burn that preferentially. Think of it as fuel that you have to use or lose - can't be stored (it'll go bad and break things).

                        So the body burns that - and doesn't burn fat. Overnight, unless you've been raiding the pantry, you've switched to burning fat at least somewhat. So ... if you want to burn fat from your bum, don't give your system sugar - have some fat to feel satiated (and fat and protein are way more satiating than carbs), and keep burning fat.

                        Suppose my BMR = 1200 kcal (easy number - I'm 5'1", or 155cm); with light activity I probably need ~1500 per day. 2Tbsp of heavy cream per cup and 2 cups of coffee/chai is 200 kcal. And I'm satisfied - don't need any breakfast. Don't eat again, in fact, until dinner. And without much exercise due to my work demands, I'm still doing a slow body recomp with fat disappearing -- even from my thighs (I'm 61 later this month, and female - there's whole thread on how hard it is to lose that fat).

                        For more info, we can recommend some reading for you.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mrsj111 View Post
                          im still pretty confused about this.

                          first, how can be consuming like 75 grams of fat in one sitting make you loose weight? i understand it boosts your energy but thats a ton of fat. i just dont get it...
                          It's here the magic comes into play, so don't worry too much about it! Some critical voices will try to tell you that that 75 gram of butter contain close to 700 kcal and that you can eat 4 canned tuna in water or 9 whole eggs instead for the same amount of calories. But don’t listen to those skeptics! Pure butter will keep you in ketosis and that’s what really matters here, so just put your butter in your tea and try not to overthink it!

                          You should try my bulletproof morning soup™ btw, it will fill you up and keep you full until dinner and you will also stay in ketosis and you will lose 2 pound of weight every day! Here is the receipt: One cube of vegetable broth, 120 gram of organic butter from grass fed cows, and one teaspoon of oregano some sea salt. Water. It is very important that the butter is made from grass fed cows, don't forget about that!

                          Enjoy the morning soup and your diet…
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                          • #14
                            I've made bullet proof chai tea and it's really good, but remember you have to blend the heck out of it (I use an immersion blender) otherwise the fat just sits on top and it is yucky! And don't forget to use UNSALTED butter.

                            My son and I also love bone broth with butter and salt in the morning.
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                            • #15
                              If it helps keep you feeling satisfied, great, but the calories do still matter. Ketosis on its own will not get you to your goals unless you're also conscious of your intake. Consuming 200-400kcal of butter on top of your normal daily food intake will have quite the opposite effect to what you want. You need to account for the caloric density of the butter, so it's one thing to use it to replace food, but don't think that washing down your bacon and eggs with a big cup of butter-laden coffee will help you get thinner by some kind of butter magic.
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