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  • #16
    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
    Pure butter will keep you in ketosis and that’s what really matters here,

    You should try my bulletproof morning soup™
    Do you have a recipe for your soup?

    I agree with owly. 700 calories of fat will make a woman or a small man gain weight, ketosis or not. The idea of eating-all-the-fat-you-want works well with big guys, young guys, or guys who work out a lot. Everybody else...gains weight. Bulletproof coffee/tea/hot cocoa is especially dangerous in this respect because it's a very easy way to wolf down calories without knowing it.

    It's okay to start with salted butter IF you clarify it and use the clarified stuff in the bulletproof tea. All the salt concentrates in the milky layer and gets thrown out.
    5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by oxide View Post
      Do you have a recipe for your soup?
      The receipt is a stated in my posting; One cube of vegetable broth, 120 gram of organic butter from grass fed cows, and one teaspoon of oregano and some sea salt. Water. It's a fat-soup for people that want to stay in ketosis and lose weight, and since it is bulletproof you can't lose!!!

      The only thing to remember is that you need to chop wood or pull a sledge for more than 12 hours per day, but if you remember to do that, you may lose 2 pound per day on this soup…
      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

      - Schopenhauer

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      • #18
        Not sure im understanding you quite right. Im young, in good health anf very physically active, not overweight, but probably right on. So are you saying that bulletproof coffee will make me gain weight? In order to loose weight, can i say, have bullettproof coffee in the morning, veggies or something for lunch and protein for dinner and expect to loose weight? Or
        o i need to treat it more as a fast or something?
        Originally posted by oxide View Post
        Do you have a recipe for your soup?

        I agree with owly. 700 calories of fat will make a woman or a small man gain weight, ketosis or not. The idea of eating-all-the-fat-you-want works well with big guys, young guys, or guys who work out a lot. Everybody else...gains weight. Bulletproof coffee/tea/hot cocoa is especially dangerous in this respect because it's a very easy way to wolf down calories without knowing it.

        It's okay to start with salted butter IF you clarify it and use the clarified stuff in the bulletproof tea. All the salt concentrates in the milky layer and gets thrown out.

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        • #19
          I suggest you track your calories and macronutrients with one of the many apps out there - I prefer CRON-O-Meter, but others like Sparkpeople or FitDay, etc. The bulletproof coffee for me replaces a meal with fewer calories, and keeps me in ketosis. Win-win!

          It's not for everyone - and I like cream better than butter (no blender required). We all have variations and most of us go through varying stages of n=1 experimentation to figure out what works for us as individuals. Keep records, change one thing at a time, and give it enough time for a difference to really (completely) show up.

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          • #20
            If you want to understand how the bulletproof coffee works, you have to go to the bulletproof executive's website and look it up. He basically invented it based on the butter tea they have in Tibet. But he hacked it as part of his bulletproof body hacking stuff.

            Basically fat doesn't raise your blood sugar or your blood insulin, so it can help prolong some of the other things your body does in a fasted state without you having to actually be in a fasted state. However, if you are trying to lose weight, you do have to have a fat deficit. Your body needs to burn something for energy and if fat is all it has, it will use up the fat in your food first before going for the fat in your thighs. So unless you have a blazing fast metabolism, you can easily out-pace your body's needs with added fat.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mrsj111 View Post
              Not sure im understanding you quite right. Im young, in good health anf very physically active, not overweight, but probably right on. So are you saying that bulletproof coffee will make me gain weight? In order to loose weight, can i say, have bullettproof coffee in the morning, veggies or something for lunch and protein for dinner and expect to loose weight? Or
              o i need to treat it more as a fast or something?
              You need to count the butter or heavy cream as food. If you consume it on top of your regular diet, then yes, you may gain weight. You need to reduce your other intake to compensate.
              “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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              • #22
                ok im understanding now.. so basically i should count it as a 700 calorie breakfast.. but the advantage being that it puts your body in a fat burning state.

                is this something you need to follow a routine with? like have a cup every morning for however long to see the benefits? or can it just be something you decide to have one morning and average like a cup or two a week? I could probably do it for a week or two, but i dont think i could let it completely replace breakfast for any long period of time.
                im really not trying to loose a lot of weight. im already 5 lbs down and would like to go another 5-10 and try to keep it there.

                i guess ideally what id like to do is use the bulletproof coffee for however long to get my weight down to my goal. and if i ever need to get it back down, maybe do the bulletproof diet for a couple days to keep my weight in check. so after i reach my goal, id just want to be drinking it pretty much at random, when i feel like it or need it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Annlee View Post
                  I suggest you track your calories and macronutrients with one of the many apps out there - I prefer CRON-O-Meter, but others like Sparkpeople or FitDay, etc. .
                  My vote's for dailyburn & myfitnesspal
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                  • #24
                    I've been using BP coffee for about a month now and I really enjoy it for it's simplicity. I use 2 TBS of unsalted butter, and 1 TBS of coconut oil. I could use more, but don't feel that I need it. What I like about it is that I can drink a nice big mug, and then carry on throughout my day until mid-afternoon to dinner without eating. Essentially, it helps me to fast for the day and skip a meal or two, so it creates a calorie deficit in my diet. Also, the energy the coconut oil gives is really intense and a great way to boost a heavy lifting session (be careful though, some people need to work in to coconut oil because if they take too much too quickly it will give them the squirts!)
                    If I do get hungry before mid afternoon, I usually just have another cup of coffee, but usually with heavy cream, which still gives me a deficit for the day.

                    It's not magical, it just helps you beat hunger while you're trying to fast, and gives you a nice boost of energy in the morning. Give it a try, and if you like it, keep it up, and if you don't forget about it and stick to the eggs and veg.

                    P.S. Cut the fruit in the a.m. if you're trying to loose weight, it will spike your insulin and you'll store the fat that you have for breakfast. I am currently trying to loose weight, so when I have fruit, I try to do it in the absence of any fat, and I usually reserve it for desert.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      If you want to understand how the bulletproof coffee works, you have to go to the bulletproof executive's website and look it up. He basically invented it based on the butter tea they have in Tibet. But he hacked it as part of his bulletproof body hacking stuff.
                      "Bulletproof body hacking stuff"??? Is that the same as snake-oil?

                      Nothing wrong with putting loads of butter in your tea or coffee, if you have a superfast metabolism or live i artic climate or above the altitude of 4000 meters in Tibet and also work hard with your body all day long...
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #26
                        Sigh.

                        Here are the links that explain how this is supposed to work.

                        First, how/where he came up with the idea and his recipe:
                        » Recipe: How to Make Your Coffee Bulletproof…And Your Morning Too The Bulletproof Executive

                        Second, bulletproof fasting as part of his body hacking (sorry, the proper term is "biohacking") stuff:
                        » Introducing Bulletproof Intermittent Fasting: How to Lose Fat, Build Muscle, Stay Focused & Feel Great The Bulletproof Executive
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by oxide View Post
                          I agree with owly. 700 calories of fat will make a woman or a small man gain weight, ketosis or not. The idea of eating-all-the-fat-you-want works well with big guys, young guys, or guys who work out a lot. Everybody else...gains weight. Bulletproof coffee/tea/hot cocoa is especially dangerous in this respect because it's a very easy way to wolf down calories without knowing it.
                          I agree, I'm quite a small female (5'4", 104lbs) and I can easily get to 11am-12pm on just a whole milk latte (I still have dairy) so I daren't use butter in my coffee!
                          Last edited by Kookie; 12-10-2012, 01:52 PM.

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                          • #28
                            I do versions of 'bulletproof' tea...with Rooibos I skew the coconut oil more to a Tbs and then a tsp of butter because its a bit more delicate I suppose. For black teas its 1 Tbs butter, then 1 tsp coconut oil. IFing for me is 8-9p through 3-4p and the butter/oil makes a huge difference if I get a hunger pang or two after mid day. Personally, couldnt imagine wanting or needing more butter/oil, but that has to be a 'your body will tell you' moments IMHO.

                            Maybe as an aside or other topic...I dont do his MCT oil, which anecdotally sounds like a nightmare even getting it delivered. And the BP coffee beans didnt light up my life, nor were they bad. Who knows about the mycotoxins...I've searched online a little bit and can't find much compelling for me. I totally follow the wet processed logic reducing mold and fungus, but I'd be curious to know how much quantifiable/qualifiable damage I am doing to myself by having organic, regular processed coffee beans vs. the coddled, perfect altitude, small estate grown, wet processed. My coffee experience and reactions seemed to be the same on both beans.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by returnfreerisk View Post
                              I do versions of 'bulletproof' tea...with Rooibos I skew the coconut oil more to a Tbs and then a tsp of butter because its a bit more delicate I suppose. For black teas its 1 Tbs butter, then 1 tsp coconut oil. IFing for me is 8-9p through 3-4p and the butter/oil makes a huge difference if I get a hunger pang or two after mid day. Personally, couldnt imagine wanting or needing more butter/oil, but that has to be a 'your body will tell you' moments IMHO.

                              Maybe as an aside or other topic...I dont do his MCT oil, which anecdotally sounds like a nightmare even getting it delivered. And the BP coffee beans didnt light up my life, nor were they bad. Who knows about the mycotoxins...I've searched online a little bit and can't find much compelling for me. I totally follow the wet processed logic reducing mold and fungus, but I'd be curious to know how much quantifiable/qualifiable damage I am doing to myself by having organic, regular processed coffee beans vs. the coddled, perfect altitude, small estate grown, wet processed. My coffee experience and reactions seemed to be the same on both beans.
                              alright thanks a bunch, i ordered the coffee from his website, along with the mct oil, figure i might as well give it a try. also bought his cocoa butter and cocoa because why not. cocoa flavored coffee/tea would be great, and i like the idea of making chocolate/fudge by combining the two.

                              anyway. its going to be late this month before i get it. which is actually good because i want to reach and be able to maintain my weight loss goal before i experiment with bulletproof coffee every morning. i did buy some coconut oil, grass fed butter, and grass fed heavy cream. so i figure if im close to or at my goal, which im hoping to get to by the weekend, ill give it a shot with tea, still dont know if i want to use butter or cream. im upping my physical activity this week. going to try to do around 40 minutes of cardio a day. and plan on doing a pretty long mtn bike ride this weekend(2-4 hours) so the morning of that ride could be a perfect time to try it out and see if i like it.

                              is the reason for using coffee the caffine/energy boost it gives you? i can see why coffee and a huge amount of fat in the morning would give you plenty of energy and fuel for the day. but is there any negative to using tea? does the large amount of caffine assist with burning fat or putting you into fat burning mode? or should i expect similar results with tea?

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                              • #30
                                I agree with owly. 700 calories of fat will make a woman or a small man gain weight, ketosis or not. The idea of eating-all-the-fat-you-want works well with big guys, young guys, or guys who work out a lot. Everybody else...gains weight. Bulletproof coffee/tea/hot cocoa is especially dangerous in this respect because it's a very easy way to wolf down calories without knowing it.
                                Not necessarily. I'm very much a woman and I eat a helluva lot of fat, and I'm continuing to lose body fat. Granted, I'm also 6'0 so I guess I can get away with eating more than an average-sized woman. The perks of being a giant

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