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    Hi. I have been primal for almost 4 months now. I was gluten free for years, and for the past year, grain free except for white rice and potatoes, which I had about once a week. My problem is that since going Primal, I have put on weight, almost 1 kg a month !! And it tends to be fat around my things, hips and bum, and for the first time in my life, I have fat on my stomach.

    I have never put on weight, in the past 22 years. I was 46 kg, 5 ft 4 . I now weigh 52 kg and don't like it. The fat, that is.

    I have been attending some meetings on primal diet and whenever I mention the fact that I am hungry, or feel nausea or no energy, I was told to eat fat. So I did. Butter, frying in tallow, etc. But instead of burning fat I am getting fat.

    I also thought it may be too much protein so have cut back on the nuts, stopped baking coconut flour muffins and almond meal crackers. Also eating less meat, which I never had to avoid before.

    I so believe in this diet , as does my husband, but it is scaring me at the moment and I have started dropping the fat and increased my exercise.

    I am not doing 3-5 hours slow movement a week. I average only 1-2 hours a week, plus 1 sprint session a week, and about 2-3 20 minute sessions of cardio workout like push ups, squats, etc etc.

    Where am I going wrong ?

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    Some of us here have found that adding more fat is not the answer, so we follow
    a lower fat primal diet.

    Not ZERO FAT, but lower.

    We don't shy away from fat that's found naturally in primal foods, however,
    adding a crapton of fat "just to get the fat" is off the table.

    I think I, personally, average about 40 fat grams a day, and that's what works for me.

    Good deal on backing off the nuts, coconut flour and almond meal.

    Stick to foods that don't have an ingredients list or a package, up your carbs from
    real sources, and try cutting back on *added* fat.

    Let us know how it goes!

    Julie

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    • #3
      What kind of "fat" have you been eating? If you are eating things like coconut meal, almond flour, and other such stuff, yap--there is the enemy. Grok didnt have access to ground almond flour, such could be consumed in such an easy way! Things like this is what we over-do, and yap, naturally, gain weight.

      Also nuts--if you are eating by the bag-fuls, thats a problem.

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      • #4
        I guess you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are eating lots of fat, you are going to get fat. I just kept on being told at our meetings to eat lots of fat. To have the fat literally lying in a pool on your casseroles, make mayo with butter, etc.

        So, I was frying all my fried foods in tallow, eating lots of home made mayo made with oil and the last batch with butter, adding thick toppings of butter to everything.

        Don't actually know how much nuts I was consuming as the bag was in the cupboard and every time I walked past I would grab a few. As I work from home, that cupboard gets passed a lot

        I was making my own almond crackers and muffins, don't buy packaged biscuits at all.

        Another point regarding the protein which I have been told could be causing my weight gain. I worked out that for my weight, I must only be eating 41 g of protein. Marks BAS Bad Ass Salad is 37 gm of protein. So there is all my protein for the day, and I haven't even had the lamb chop for dinner or the eggs for breakfast.

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        • #5
          When I started eating primal, I was counting calories (still am) so I was very aware of which foods were expensive in terms of a calorie budget. Primal baked goods are the worst! They are typically higher in calories than wheat-based baked goods and I find I can suck them down just as fast. There a couple of things the kids like that I will make, but personally, I stay away from them.
          50yo, 5'3"
          SW-195
          CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
          GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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          • #6
            Mindlessly adding fat is not the answer for everyone. I am your height and I can sympathize. It's easy for us shorties to pack on the pounds without consciously counting higher calorie dense food consumption. I don't eat much fat myself when preparing foods, if I feel like I need to consume extra fat, I will eat a few tablespoon of butter or coconut oil, but I don't use much fat in my food prep and I never fry my food.
            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

            "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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            • #7
              To a hunter/gatherer like grok fat was a precious commodity. In that I tend towards Nora Gedgaudas' eat just enough saturated fat to satisfy your appetite. Nut fats don't seem to satisfy me anything like animal fats. Keep in mind, too, that grok was eating a lot of nuts this time of year an putting on fat for winter months. Do you use any sugars, including honey, maple syrup, agave, etc?
              Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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              • #8
                Ok I just noticed you are baking with coconut flours and such. That is not helping, while technically primal, that's like replacing one bad choice with a slightly better one for weight gain. The point is to eat whole foods, not to find primal replacements for them. It's like if you turned vegetarian and ate soy meat instead of vegetables.
                F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                • #9
                  I do drink wine every night. I don't use sugars, except for stevia if it calls for it. The only time I use honey is if I am baking . I do have some chocolate now and again, but not like I used to.

                  I think it is all the added fat.

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                  • #10
                    I upped my baking when I started my daughters, aged 10 and 12, on Primal , as I saw that they were always hungry and attacking the fruit bowl with a vengeance.

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                    • #11
                      Sweet wine? I like dry wine but if I drink that every night I will want to snack with it. Sweet wine will be higher in fructose. Honey is also high in fructose. For example:High-fructose corn syrup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                      "Honey is a mixture of different types of sugars, water, and small amounts of other compounds. Honey typically has a fructose/glucose ratio similar to HFCS 55, as well as containing some sucrose and other sugars. Like HFCS, honey contains water and has approximately 3 kcal per gram. Because of its similar sugar profile and lower price, HFCS has been used illegally to "stretch" honey."

                      The alcohol in the wine is going to have a similar effect as fructose. What University of Colorado's medical professor, Dr Richard Johnson, believes through their lab research is that fructose (and alcohol) increase cellular uric acid production. Alcohol, fructose, (brewery's yeast, too) "trigger" the body's response to put on fat through this increased uric acid within cells.

                      Here's an interview with Johnson about what he calls the "fat switch": The Fat Switch Book | Weight Control Guide - Mercola.com. The work in this book has been submitted to peer review. It has two forwards, one to the layperson and the other to medical professionals. A shortened version of what can happen from drinking wine (alcohol and/or fructose) every night is this: The Skinny on Obesity (Ep. 3): Hunger and Hormones- A Vicious Cycle - YouTube taken from UCTV Prime: The Skinny on Obesity - YouTube

                      My speculation: using an evolutionary template, Grok would've been eating fruits (and honey) going into fall where nuts then come into season. Him and his tribe would've been putting on season fat to get through the leaner winter months. But today we have access to those foods year round. Just because they are paleo/primal doesn't mean you don't limit their use if you are trying to drop weight.
                      Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by InSearchOfAbs View Post
                        Some of us here have found that adding more fat is not the answer, so we follow
                        a lower fat primal diet.

                        Not ZERO FAT, but lower.

                        We don't shy away from fat that's found naturally in primal foods, however,
                        adding a crapton of fat "just to get the fat" is off the table.

                        Stick to foods that don't have an ingredients list or a package, up your carbs from
                        real sources, and try cutting back on *added* fat.
                        I think this is good advice. I'm a 5'4 lady in my thirties. I can NOT eat like a 6'2 male weightlifter.

                        Personally, I have found that I function best eating a higher carb / lower fat ancestral diet that includes cane sugar. I eat potatoes (white and sweet), white rice, and occasionally some gluten-free oatmeal. I eat fruit, seafood, and I generally go for leaner cuts of meat. Sometimes I'll choose fattier cuts if it's grassfed and from my local farmer's market, but I use very little fat when cooking and if I'm having a fattier dinner, the rest of my meals will generally be naturally low fat. I also stopped eating so many vegetables because the fiber was aggravating my IBS.

                        I don't thrive on a high fat/low carb diet. I found that when I raised my carbs and lowered my fat, my body was a lot happier. Add in hot yoga 5x/week, and returning to my pre-summer weightlifting program, and I can see my body very slowly recomping to where I want it. Another thing I've learned is that my body doesn't respond well to 'forcing' it to do things. If I try to do things that are extreme, it retaliates by refusing to improve. So for me, results happen when I'm slow and steady, not trying to be really intense in a short period of time, if that makes sense.

                        However, I've also realized that my body isn't happy with only 1 hour of exercise per week, it needs to be used almost every day (hence the 5 days of yoga per week). You mentioned that your activity levels were low; this could be a place to make some improvements. If you don't have time before or after work, what about walking during your lunch break?

                        I resisted going higher carb/lower fat because I really believed in this way of eating, too. But finally I got to the point where I had to face facts that it was not making me a healthier, happier person. During my lowest carb phase (no starches, no grains, no sugar, my only carbs coming from fruit), I spent one whole year in the gym making zero gains. With my first high carb day, I was able to increase all the weights...this really should have been a bigger clue that my body does not want to be given a lot of fat with too few carbs. Eating low carb/high fat also caused some serious fatigue issues for me.

                        You might want to check out the Perfect Health Diet; in my opinion it's a much better version of paleo than Mark's low carb brand.


                        http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/08...d-the-thyroid/
                        Last edited by BestBetter; 12-08-2012, 01:28 PM.

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                        • #13
                          How many carbs do you eat a day?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                            I think this is good advice. I'm a 5'4 lady in my thirties. I can NOT eat like a 6'2 male weightlifter.

                            Personally, I have found that I function best eating a higher carb / lower fat ancestral diet that includes cane sugar. I eat potatoes (white and sweet), white rice, and occasionally some gluten-free oatmeal. I eat fruit, seafood, and I generally go for leaner cuts of meat.


                            Low Carb High Fat Diets and the Thyroid | Perfect Health Diet
                            I think you have hit the nail on the head. I also suffer from IBS, chronic. I have been trying to remember how I was eating when I living in Malaysia, before coming to NZ. I was swimming at least 2-3 times a day, some walking, drinking lots of wine, not much dairy, and due to the type of meat, not alot of red meat either.

                            However, I was eating lots of rice and fruit. It seemed to work for me. Also would mix my butter with olive oil so that I could put it into the fridge. I was baking with sugar at least once a week. And I didn't put on any weight at all. I was super slim with no fat.

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                            • #15
                              A few things stand out:

                              * 40g of protein is too little . Try doubling it. Too little protein and your body acts as if you're starving and your metabolism slows

                              * Too much fat, but you know that. Primal is not a fat feast, but neither is it fat fear. Choose fatty cuts of meat and cook in moderate amounts of fat, but don't slather it on

                              * Snacking is not good. You should eat only meals. Snacking interferes with the body's hormone cycles and means you never adapt to fat burner. Primal is about becoming a fat burner and the easiest way to do that is have 50-100g carbs per day and 2-3 meals only

                              * Nut flours and butters are often oxidised and inflammatory, as well as being calorically dense. Reduction of inflammation is a major part of getting healthy, which will lead to weightloss
                              Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                              Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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