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  • #16
    White rice, squash (winter and summer), and red potatoes. If I was still eating primal 101, it probably would've been "why do you need starch?," hopefully leading into a conversation on food dynamics.
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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    • #17
      It's in the title "Benefits of High-Saturated Fat Diets (Part V): The Traditional Okinawans".
      When they say "higher intakes of meat/pork" they compared that to mainland Japan at the time which was extremely meager in their meat and fat consumption. People get (rightly) annoyed when people to to skew the "Mediteranian diet" to fit their beliefs but reading that article would have you thinking the Okinawans longevity was achieved by them eating bacon for breakfast and pork belly for dinner over the last 100 or so years.

      https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...yid8yJWtqWB-WA
      Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 12-03-2012, 09:11 PM.

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      • #18
        Am I reading that wrong or was total fat 6% of calories?

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        • #19
          Yeah that's on average. keep in mind around 70% of their calories are coming from sweet potatoes which are virtually fat free. 2% of their calories came from added fats which I'm guessing was Lard. I'm pretty stingy with cooking fats as well, I'd estimate I only use around 2% of my daily caloric intake for cooking, it's not hard to do.
          By 1980 they were consuming a little bit more pork but it was still an extremely low percentage of overall calories on average annually. And I'm presuming most of it was during their annual festivals. I checked the links on the animal pharm blog and of the links that weren't dead, not one of them confirmed what he was saying.
          Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 12-03-2012, 09:17 PM.

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          • #20
            There seems to be some questions raised by the wilcox paper you link....seems it was published years after they released their book "The Okinawan Diet Plan". Ploy for book sales and data cooking like the China Study? Possibly.

            Just another blog Heretic: Beware of Okinawa Diet scam!

            There actually looks to be a lot of contradiction in the literature.

            I can't find the full text for the Shibata study that seems to show some interesting comparisons though.
            Last edited by Neckhammer; 12-04-2012, 06:47 AM.

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            • #21
              I agree that there are inconsistencies in the actual reporting of what 'traditional' diets actually comprised and I am as perplexed as anyone with regard to what they were actually composed of... but from studying the Blue Zones it does appear likely that with regard to diet an abundance of plant foods does seem to confer benefits with regard to health and longevity. This is not at odds with the primal/paleo concept.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JEL62 View Post
                I agree that there are inconsistencies in the actual reporting of what 'traditional' diets actually comprised and I am as perplexed as anyone with regard to what they were actually composed of... but from studying the Blue Zones it does appear likely that with regard to diet an abundance of plant foods does seem to confer benefits with regard to health and longevity. This is not at odds with the primal/paleo concept.
                Nah, its all good. Veggies according to Mark should be where you get the most volume of food. Its just that meat is so nutrient dense (calorie dense too) that it will be where you get your most calories.

                I must admit that I've cut way back on my veggie intake due to not finding much data on previous HG societies relying on them much at all along with some other data. I am low carb still, but now when I eat anything other than meat, eggs, fish, milk...ect. I make it a sweet potato or some fruit. Heck if I eat 2-3 servings of fruit or sweet potato a day I would still fall under the 100g carb mark. I still use veggies for taste and texture, but I don't attempt to pound down several kilos a day to hit some magic number (5-11 servings or such).

                All in all if your gonna go high carb, or just high plant surely the sweet potato is the best way to do it (least it seems).

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                • #23
                  That's cool.... and I'm here being primal right along with the rest of you. I just lean my diet more toward the plant end of things rather than the all-meat 'let's all be like the Inuit' trend we see all too often here. In studying the Blue Zones, it does seem that a more plant-based diet confers the most benefit.

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                  • #24
                    Naw. That's crap. Most veggies (greens, roots, junk like that) are starvation and flavor foods. The majority of the nutrition you need can be found in animal parts. Plug this into your favorite nutrition calculator and adjust for CW:
                    8 ounces of chicken liver
                    3 duck eggs
                    3 ounces of oysters
                    6 ounces of beef heart
                    How's that micronutrient profile looking now?! Short on anything? Only barely.

                    Plants? Choose fatty or colorful ones, not leafy, starchy diarrhea-generating crud! Two avocados and 15 sprouted almonds. A cup of mixed berries. And you're covered.
                    Crohn's, doing SCD

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                    • #25
                      ^lol...and here I was trying to be diplomatic.

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                      • #26
                        That's all well and good, but it's also good to fly our flag high when the situation calls for it. Straight up O.G. low-carb Primal did wonders for me. Later on I added a carnivore and warrior twist, and a little carb cycling, and it's working even better!

                        Sure, I carb up here and there with a few apples, sometimes I even dabble in sweet potato territory - but it never lasts long. It's just for variety, I guess, and when I can tell I've been too low-carb too long. But the gut does not take well to it, so it's just a temporary kick-start sort of thing for me to eat more than around 50-75g of carbs. So, I should asterisk there, above. I DO eat some starch sometimes, but I don't think it's truly necessary - it just feels right sometimes, so I do it.
                        Last edited by Knifegill; 12-06-2012, 02:35 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                          Naw. That's crap. Most veggies (greens, roots, junk like that) are starvation and flavor foods. The majority of the nutrition you need can be found in animal parts. Plug this into your favorite nutrition calculator and adjust for CW:
                          8 ounces of chicken liver
                          3 duck eggs
                          3 ounces of oysters
                          6 ounces of beef heart
                          How's that micronutrient profile looking now?! Short on anything? Only barely.

                          Plants? Choose fatty or colorful ones, not leafy, starchy diarrhea-generating crud! Two avocados and 15 sprouted almonds. A cup of mixed berries. And you're covered.
                          What, like parsnips, yams, potato etc???

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                          • #28
                            Yeah. You want to defend the fort? Load me up with a plate of sweet potatoes and wait a couple of hours. I'll blast 'em away with angry brown revenge.
                            Crohn's, doing SCD

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                              Yeah. You want to defend the fort? Load me up with a plate of sweet potatoes and wait a couple of hours. I'll blast 'em away with angry brown revenge.
                              That sounds more like a personal problem than a statement about longevity. I doubt anyone will argue that the Okinawans enjoy a long life, and regardless of their diet otherwise, sweet potatoes remain a large part of it. Sucks that you explode them out your ass as such, but perhaps you have a really weak system?.

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                              • #30
                                Fair enough. This isn't my experience however.

                                But i agree about leaves. Pointless. When you say fatty or colorful ones, can you provide examples of which ones you mean?

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