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  • Has anyone else been diagnosed with H. Pylori ?

    I have just been diagnosed as I have been suffering with chronic stomach pains for a very long time. I have just been put on the 3 step system to get rid of it and even going Primal hadn't helped me a great deal with my gut issues. I am currently bloating and in pain when I eat pretty much anything.
    The only thing I am managing to keep down whilst remaining pain free are meal replacement shakes and water :-( I would really appreciate any dietary advice from anyone that has suffered with the H.Pylori bacteria and has managed to get rid of it or reduce symptoms dramatically. It appears I may have had it for many, many years undiagnosed and had been thrown in the 'you have IBS' basket.
    Doc also believes I may have stomach ulcers from having it for so long too, yet to be tested for that though.......

    If anyone has any info on this at all (including natural treatments) I would be sooooo grateful for your input :-)

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    Have you tried straight bone broths yet? If you can hold down water, it SHOULD be ok I would imagine... And as things get better you can slowly add in some well-boiled veggies to the broth and eventually, some meat. But for right now, just make the broth with bone and veggies and drink it straight (remove any vegetable particles).
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #3
      What's the 3 step system? I hope it involves a lot of acidophilus.
      I wish I liked to eat liver.

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      • #4
        No I haven't tried the bone broths yet Drumroll, I really should get onto doing that as I have read how good it is for all kinds of digestive issues. Will be putting that at the top of my list of things to do. I think i will be able to tolerate a clear broth at the moment but as you said I will definately wait a while before adding the meat and veg :-)

        Um unfortunately not Unique TII :-( I have had to get a doc to finally diagnose it after 20 years of pain and discomfort! The 3 step system for the H.Pylori is Nexium (to reduce stomach acid so the following 2 antibiotics can better do their job), Amoxil and Klacid.
        I HATE taking antibiotics and always refuse them but I am going to take these ones as from what I have read they kill the bacteria much more quickly than natural remedies. I will however be taking extra probiotics after this one week course :-) Not to mention some hefty doses of coconut oil.........

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        • #5
          I was recently diagnosed with H. Pylori as well, i had some digestive issues and stomach pain. I also believe i have had it for a long time and it was greatly aggravated by my old diet high in fat.

          You are right to take the antibiotics. The bacteria is a stubborn one to get rid of and there are no studies showing that alternatives are effective at eradicating it. I do have some helpful advice though!

          Eat a low fat, low fiber diet from now until you are done with the meds. I would stick to fruits, low fat dairy and a bit of veg, starch. Eat a daily dose of acidophilus in the form of yoghurt. Make sure your Vitamin C intake is high. Also coconut oil and manuka honey have had positive results for some people so it does not hurt to get a bit of both in everyday. The most important thing you can do though is be diligent about the antibiotics, take them every 12 hours at the same time and do not miss a dose. Make sure to drink plenty of fluids.

          I wish you well and hope the anti's work for you!

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          • #6
            I was quite a few years ago. Did the triple therapy antibiotic/antacid treatment and it worked very well. No more problems for years. Damage was caused though. My duodenum is scarred and ulcered from it. Going primal really aggravated it a lot.
            Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
            Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
            Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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            • #7
              Thank you so much for the detailed reply Zach :-) I had wondered why I felt much worse when I ate fats. Here I was thinking it was due to the carb/fat transition and I was trying to put up with it. That may be why I haven't had a huge amount of success with Primal yet as I when I cut most of the carbs I added in quite a bit of fat! Thank you so much for your nutritional tips, I will definately be following your advice, your an angel! Now that you have got rid of the H.Pylori have you increased the fats in your diet or are you still following a low fat/low fibre eating plan?

              That is great to hear that the antibiotic therapy worked well for you Silvergirl :-) My doctor also believes I may have ulcers due to having taken so long to be diagnosed, with the symptoms getting worse year by year. It is now at the point where I get ill when I eat just about anything. You say that going Primal aggrivated it alot, was that due to you having a higher fat intake do you think? What nutritional guidelines are you currently following? Are you now able to eat foods and remain relatively symptom free even though you have permanent damage?

              The thought of not having a sore, distended tummy after everything I eat makes me feel elated, so I am really hoping these antibiotics kill the little buggers!
              Last edited by TARNIP; 11-29-2012, 03:53 PM.

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              • #8
                Yes i am able to basically eat whatever i want with no ill effects. Excess muscle meat and fat do still give me inflammation so i keep them down and dairy and carbs high. Also i do keep a relatively low fiber diet because its just how i end up eating. Seems the better i digest, the better i feel.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zach View Post
                  Yes i am able to basically eat whatever i want with no ill effects. Excess muscle meat and fat do still give me inflammation so i keep them down and dairy and carbs high. Also i do keep a relatively low fiber diet because its just how i end up eating. Seems the better i digest, the better i feel.
                  Thank you so much for your input. I will definately be putting your advice in practice :-)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TARNIP View Post
                    That is great to hear that the antibiotic therapy worked well for you Silvergirl :-) My doctor also believes I may have ulcers due to having taken so long to be diagnosed, with the symptoms getting worse year by year. It is now at the point where I get ill when I eat just about anything. You say that going Primal aggrivated it alot, was that due to you having a higher fat intake do you think? What nutritional guidelines are you currently following? Are you now able to eat foods and remain relatively symptom free even though you have permanent damage?

                    The thought of not having a sore, distended tummy after everything I eat makes me feel elated, so I am really hoping these antibiotics kill the little buggers!
                    I think starting the diet so different from carb. loaded, really shocked my system. I started to get severe pain in my chest/gut. Doc. sent me for a fluoroscopy which showed extensive damage and current severely irritated duodenal ulcer. It had started to calm down by the time I went for the fluoroscopy too. Everything got worse when I started a whole30. I gave up all grains/legumes/ plus dairy and eggs. What made it worse for me I think is that I ate a lot of nuts because I made Mark's blueberry nut bars. I have now found I have not only a strong dairy and egg allergy, but also off the charts for almonds and blueberries. So I am sure this caused a lot of my problems. I am still struggling somewhat. Just about to go back onto stronger medication to give everything chance to heal. I think a lot of my issues have stemmed from allergies, irritating my whole system.

                    Before the triple therapy I used to get very strong IBS. Even landed me in the hospital once. The IBS pretty much went away altogether )
                    Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                    Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                    Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                    • #11
                      Goodness me Silvergirl you really have had quite a bad run with it all. I couldn't imagine having allergies to all of those foods as I eat them regularly and amidst everything else I'm intolerant to I don't think I'd be left with much else to eat! I have the standard gluten issues as well as having to try and avoid most starches as it aggrivates my inflammatory arthritis. I am hesitant to ever give up dairy as I love it sooo much! I had considered doing the Whole 30 but I think for those of us that have underlying health issues it might be too much too soon for our systems to be able to deal with so I have approached it in a slower more gradual way by slowly decreasing bad foods while introducing the new good foods. My main aim now is to try and heal my gut. I really believe that if it does fully heal I will have less intolerances and digestive issues with all types of foods (well that's the plan anyway!).

                      I am going to be getting myself some Primal Defense Ultra Probiotics as I have read these are one of the best but as I live in Australia I will have to pay top $$ for them as they are imported from the US. I am also going to buy a kefir starter kit and some raw milk to start making my own kefir, as well as purchasing some Kombucha tea (I have read that these 2 things are ridiculously high in live probiotics and are extremely helpful in repairing the gut). I will also be loading myself up with coconut oil in case there are other nasties in there that shouldn't be :-)

                      It can be so debilitating having digestive issues at it affects your whole life in every possible way. I wish you the very best of luck with your new treatment and I hope you are able to get some relief soon.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks Tarnip actually the main pain subsided pretty quickly and overall I am doing really well now. Identifying those allergies are vital for your gut health, once you eliminate those foods you have a chance to heal without the constant irritation. I did give up one at a time initially, but I feel soooo much better with more energy, clear head, more motivation, that it is all worth it. I don't touch gluten at all either. I still recommend the whole30 to really find out all of your issues. The faster you do the quicker you can get on top of it all. I did just go back onto the acid blockers for a bit to give my ulcer a chance to heal. I didn't want to, but I think it is for the best. I felt the same way as you about dairy. My absolute favourite foods are things like egg custards. I initially didn't think I could give up all grains either.
                        Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                        Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                        Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                        • #13
                          My mom has had it twice. The first time, she ended up in the hospital for a couple of days since no one could figure it out and she was pretty sick. That was about 5 years ago.

                          Then she got it again back about a year ago. She was vomitting and couldn't eat more than a couple of bites to begin with (no clue what she found to actually vomit up) and was in pain pretty much constantly.

                          I even started a thread ( Help Solve the Pharma Mystery! - ) trying to figure out what the problem was.

                          She eventually found a new doc that diagnosed it as h. pylori on the first visit (after testing) 8 or 9 months after the whole ordeal started. He pulled her off all of her meds (more on that...) and put her on the same 3-step treatment plan. It seemed to work pretty well, and she's gaining weight and exercising again (at age 75) just a few months later.

                          The meds she was taking - a horrible mix of PPIs, antacids and the like. She had her gall bladder removed decades ago, back in the day when you basically removed any organ that was giving you trouble (she had 2 more "parts" removed for the same reason - argh!) Instead of changing her diet to remove problem foods, she continued to eat CW and basically had pushed the acid in her stomach down on a daily basis for years. That's exactly where h. pylori thrives, in a low acid environment.

                          So my take on this whole thing is that, while you may have to eat a little dfferently without a gallbladder (though there are quite a few people on this forum that don't), just make sure you are keeping your stomach acid up and not down. If you have a problem with heartburn, try taking a spoonful of apple cider vinegar instead of an antacid after you get done with the treatment. Most of the time heartburn is caused by too little stomach acid, not too much.

                          I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir here, but I see so many people make the situation worse by lowering their stomach acid. Chris Kresser has a lot of great articles on this subject:

                          Chris Kresser - Heartburn/GERD articles page
                          Durp.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks so much for that info RitaRose :-) I have been reading so much conflicting info about whether or not H.Pylori grows in a low or high acid environment. The doctor tells me they grow in a high acid environment but I have my doubts as I have had issues digesting my foods for a long time (which to me indicates low acid) but still managed to somehow contract it. I had been taking 2 tablespoons of ACV twice daily but read that it can increase your chances of getting an ulcer with H.Pylori, due to having too much acid in the stomach? I was even beginning to wonder if my ACV usage is what bought on the infection to start with? I will definately be reading the Chris Kresser article, I have been reading quite a bit of his work lately :-)
                            Last edited by TARNIP; 12-01-2012, 09:21 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Everything i have read says H. Pylori thrives in a low acidic environment. Although i believe bile acid excreted when eating fats is what aggrevates the stomach lining and can cause ulcers.

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