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  • #46
    Well that was awesome. I just spent 20 minutes skimming those threads and just like i thought there was absolutely nothing to back up your claim. There was ONE blog post from "a worldly monk" who offers an explaination that your body just doesnt need as much T3 on low carb. Wow. And then i found about five of your posts quoting from that exact blog post and no other evidense at all.

    I will read that post in full and check his references but at first glance it looks like not much in the way of evidence. Also funny how you dismiss all of Masterjohn and Jaminets work but quote this other complete randoms blog like it was gospel.

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    • #47
      Ah, i figured out the genious who wrote the blog post that you quote as evidence for your claim. Sam Knox, an ACSM certified personal trainer who uses a low carb diet to manage diabetes and weight loss...

      Also he says that he himself suffers from hypothyroidism, sounds like blind leading the blind. I would be very interested to know if he is on a T3 replacement medication.
      Last edited by Zach; 12-01-2012, 08:20 PM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        My apologies, I totally missed the part about you being a tall dude with all the avatar pics of young sexy women. Some of us use real pics of ourselves.

        Yes, gelatin is great, I love it. I make unsweetened ice tea jello blocks a lot. It's the sugar I think is harmful.
        Most of my avatars aren't even real people, and the other was a really beautiful model named Anna Christine Speckhart. I'm sure hoping you didn't think I looked like any of them.

        Also, are you new to the internet?

        I just think that when someone is asking for advice with a health problem, they should know who that advice is coming from. The person who eats candy and coke is not really much of a Primal spokesperson.
        The last thing I'm trying to be is a primal spokesperson.

        You also wasted a lot of time pasting those links, because they're absolutely worthless.

        Don't you have anything to say to my other post?
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        • #49
          My main point is in this case, anecdotal evidence is king. There will never be a conclusive study done because 1. It would have to span months and 2. It would have to make sure all calories were equal. But there is overwhelming evidence in the form of thousands of people who had adequate thyroids before low carb and hypothyroidism during low carb. There are also many who reversed their hypo without the use of drugs simply by adding carbs back into the diet.

          Based on that, i find it irresponsible of you to dismiss this every time someone starts a thread claiming low carb gave them hypo.

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          • #50
            One more thing. You should look into supplementing progesterone for epilepsy. Eating low carb to control epilepsy seems like another conventional harmful backwards "treatment".
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            • #51
              Could you point me toward the study showing the percentage of people developing hypothyroidism from low carb eating? There is a history of thyroid dysfunction on my Dad's side of the family....

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BratKat View Post
                Could you point me toward the study showing the percentage of people developing hypothyroidism from low carb eating? There is a history of thyroid dysfunction on my Dad's side of the family....
                It's impossible to attach an arbitrary number to it.

                One main reason low carb diets harm thyroid health are because of diminished levels of T3 and increased levels of cortisol and rT3
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Zach View Post
                  Well that was awesome. I just spent 20 minutes skimming those threads and just like i thought there was absolutely nothing to back up your claim. There was ONE blog post from "a worldly monk" who offers an explaination that your body just doesnt need as much T3 on low carb. Wow. And then i found about five of your posts quoting from that exact blog post and no other evidense at all.

                  I will read that post in full and check his references but at first glance it looks like not much in the way of evidence. Also funny how you dismiss all of Masterjohn and Jaminets work but quote this other complete randoms blog like it was gospel.
                  Like I said, that was only page one of 10 pages of threads and I don't need or want to prove anything to you because I don't care what you think. All I did was point out that the topic had been really well covered around here.

                  Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                  Most of my avatars aren't even real people, and the other was a really beautiful model named Anna Christine Speckhart. I'm sure hoping you didn't think I looked like any of them.

                  Also, are you new to the internet?

                  The last thing I'm trying to be is a primal spokesperson.

                  Don't you have anything to say to my other post?
                  So you're a tall dude who uses sexy female model pics as avatars. OK.
                  Yes, MDA is my first real experience with net interactions. I don't FB or tweet or any of that stuff.
                  You obviously aren't a spokesman for Primal. You proudly flout the most basic of Primal eating principles yet dole out advice. I just want any newbies who might be listening to know that this is not Primal advice.

                  Which one of your other posts are you referring to? I've been out to dinner, you know, having a life

                  Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                  One more thing. You should look into supplementing progesterone for epilepsy. Eating low carb to control epilepsy seems like another conventional harmful backwards "treatment".
                  Progesterone is not a good idea for someone who has had breast cancer. And Ketosis as a treatment for epilepsy has a long history. Try researching it sometime. It works. Google Johns Hopkins +ketosis for more info.
                  Last edited by Paleobird; 12-01-2012, 10:38 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Im sorry but you are being a bit ridiculous. You only respond to the parts of my comments that keep you from writing anything worthwhile. My whole point of this has been asking you to back up your claim that low carb does not effect thyroid function. You have done your best to address anything BUT that. Thats all well and good that it has been discussed around here, i had no doubt that it would since almost all online community sufferers of hypothyroid originated from a paleo/primal diet. Every single thread you posted was started by one!

                    I wont ask again for any proof since its clear you have nothing to back up your claim. Maybe just stop parroting the same advice each time a new thyroid thread pops up. Im sure there will be plenty more around here.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      Like I said, that was only page one of 10 pages of threads and I don't need or want to prove anything to you because I don't care what you think. All I did was point out that the topic had been really well covered around here.
                      If you call anecdotes and a blog post well covered, okay.

                      So you're a tall dude who uses sexy female model pics as avatars. OK.
                      Problem?

                      Which one of your other posts are you referring to? I've been out to dinner, you know, having a life
                      The long one, you know, the main one. Why do you keep saying you have a life? Everyone here has a life, otherwise we'd be dead.

                      Progesterone is not a good idea for someone who has had breast cancer. And Ketosis as a treatment for epilepsy has a long history. Try researching it sometime. It works. Google Johns Hopkins +ketosis for more info.
                      Uh, why? It's actually a very good idea.

                      I've researched it, it's stupid. I don't make claims unless I've researched it beforehand.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                        If you call anecdotes and a blog post well covered, okay.
                        Problem?
                        The long one, you know, the main one. Why do you keep saying you have a life? Everyone here has a life, otherwise we'd be dead.

                        Uh, why? It's actually a very good idea.
                        I've researched it, it's stupid. I don't make claims unless I've researched it beforehand.
                        Ten pages of threads is "well covered" in my opinion. I don't care what your avatar looks like and I still don't know which post you mean. The having a life comment was because you and/or paleo-bunny were telling me earlier that I needed to get one but I've been to two parties today while you've evidently been here. Go figure.

                        I'm done talking with you at this point however. Your level of medical knowledge is obviously so lacking that it is just not worth it. Anyone who would recommend a hormone for a hormonally driven cancer survivor and dismiss ketosis as being ineffective for epilepsy obviously doesn't have a clue.

                        Night night. Be sure to brush your teeth after your gummy bears and coke before bed.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Ten pages of threads is "well covered" in my opinion. I don't care what your avatar looks like and I still don't know which post you mean. The having a life comment was because you and/or paleo-bunny were telling me earlier that I needed to get one but I've been to two parties today while you've evidently been here. Go figure.
                          Wasn't me. I don't know a thing about you, so, I honestly couldn't care less about your life, therefore I won't judge what you do in your time.

                          I'm done talking with you at this point however. Your level of medical knowledge is obviously so lacking that it is just not worth it. Anyone who would recommend a hormone for a hormonally driven cancer survivor and dismiss ketosis as being ineffective for epilepsy obviously doesn't have a clue.

                          Night night. Be sure to brush your teeth after your gummy bears and coke before bed.
                          The funny thing is it's you that is wrong. Progestins are incorrectly linked with progesterone. Progesterone is actually immensely protective. The fact it has an inverse relationship with estrogen(linked to breast cancer, along with progestins) makes it protective all on its own.

                          Progesterone declines as you age. Estrogen dominance begins and it's just a coincidence that's when you're at the biggest risk for breast cancer?

                          Once again you're so quick to dismiss something without any proof of why you think I don't know anything. Natural progesterone is nothing but beneficial.

                          Night night. Be sure to brush your teeth after your gummy bears and coke before bed.
                          Yes mom

                          Here is my post:

                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1020731
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                          • #58
                            I have scars across my upper torso where I am missing a breast. I think I know a little bit more about this subject than you, who don't even have breasts, will ever know.

                            What I don't get is what is your problem? You seem to feel this compulsive need to argue about subjects that have nothing to do with the thread (remember the candida?).

                            And why are you even posting on this forum when you don't even care to try to live or eat Primally? It would be like me going on a vegan site and telling them all about how they should eat meat. I could but why would I?

                            Seriously, going to bed now.

                            I'm sure you will want to stay up just a little bit later and get one last word in. Whatever.

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                            • #59
                              Paleobird-
                              Just a note to say that I admire you and believe you are wasting your time with these people.

                              Anyone who would question the ketogenic diet for epilepsy obviously lives in a different dimension of reality.

                              And as someone with Hashimoto's, I refuse to engage with the nonsense that low-carb eating 'causes' thyroid problems. Like your experience with breast cancer, I've researched my illness extensively through serious medical sources--not Internet gossip--and there is absolutely no causative effect. The lowering of T3 is a perfectly natural function that is not the least pathological.

                              Trying to engage in serious discourse as you've been doing is, IMO, futile, given the mindset of these people.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                I have scars across my upper torso where I am missing a breast. I think I know a little bit more about this subject than you, who don't even have breasts, will ever know.

                                What I don't get is what is your problem? You seem to feel this compulsive need to argue about subjects that have nothing to do with the thread (remember the candida?).

                                And why are you even posting on this forum when you don't even care to try to live or eat Primally? It would be like me going on a vegan site and telling them all about how they should eat meat. I could but why would I?

                                Seriously, going to bed now.

                                I'm sure you will want to stay up just a little bit later and get one last word in. Whatever.
                                My problem is you're rude and arrogant. This also isn't a private clubhouse, I have just as much right to be here as anyone else. You should welcome conflicting interest for the sake of bettering health. Inquisitive minds are what drive the world forward. I actually eat plenty of whole foods without modern chemical assistance btw, just because it's known to cause allergens.

                                I am sorry to hear what you've been through though.

                                Anyone who would question the ketogenic diet for epilepsy obviously lives in a different dimension of reality.

                                And as someone with Hashimoto's, I refuse to engage with the nonsense that low-carb eating 'causes' thyroid problems. Like your experience with breast cancer, I've researched my illness extensively through serious medical sources--not Internet gossip--and there is absolutely no causative effect. The lowering of T3 is a perfectly natural function that is not the least pathological.

                                Trying to engage in serious discourse as you've been doing is, IMO, futile, given the mindset of these people.
                                "Internet gossip", yet we're the only ones who are actually posting solid scientific evidence. You talk of mindset, yet this is yours and Paleobird's: "LOL YOU IDIOTS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING *FINGERS IN EARS* LALALA NOT LISTENING I'M DONE" How old are you people? This is just a disgraceful, childish response.

                                I have plenty of citations btw, do you seriously want me to reference them all? I bet it'd be a waste of time since you'll just not read them and dismiss them as "internet gossip". You people have a bad habit of cherrypicking and looking at research selectively and showing them in a biased way.

                                Low T3 causes all symptoms of hypothyroidism, are you serious? It's far from natural. You didn't research very much apparently.
                                Last edited by Derpamix; 12-02-2012, 08:54 AM.
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