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  • #31
    Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
    You're clearly way too lazy to back up your assertations.

    Or incapable ... because a strawman is a strawman.
    I'm not your google monkey. I have been around this board for years and seen so many threads on this topic. And I don't really give a ratfart what you think.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      Show me a study or something that could even come close to being considered proof. Reading threads of low carbers saying they have no thyroid problems is hardly proof. For every person doing well on low carb, there are 10 who hace ruined their health.
      +1

      Low carb is for those with no better option. I see a lot of ruined thyroids out there.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        I'm not your google monkey. I have been around this board for years and seen so many threads on this topic. And I don't really give a ratfart what you think.
        You're seriously flattering yourself there.

        Just asking you to back up your claims.

        I've had a keen scientific interest in health and nutrition for a couple of decades now, and have used this to help others.
        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
          I've had a keen scientific interest in health and nutrition for a couple of decades now, and have used this to help others.
          Good for you. I have a life. Signing off now.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            Good for you. I have a life. Signing off now.
            You clearly don't have a life as you spend way too much time attempting to dominate this forum. Especially for someone who doesn't even work for a living.
            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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            • #36
              Seriously, your post count says otherwise.

              You know that the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim. Your claim that low carb does not effect thyroid is quite the claim since many people think otherwise and there seems to be a very common theme of low carb causing many cases of hypothyroidism. The fact that you wont even try to back up your claim shows that you dont truly believe what you say.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Seriously, your post count says otherwise.

                You know that the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim. Your claim that low carb does not effect thyroid is quite the claim since many people think otherwise and there seems to be a very common theme of low carb causing many cases of hypothyroidism. The fact that you wont even try to back up your claim shows that you dont truly believe what you say.
                Agreed - she doesn't back up her claims.

                She is forced down the road of low carb for one reason or another.
                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Cortisol, another name for hydrocortisone, is a steroid hormone created in the adrenal cortex. It is not something anything can "feed" off of. Biochem 101. Please.
                  Hahahaha, what? Yes, thanks for this direct copy and paste of wiki with absolutely no scientific basis for why "nothing can feed off cortisol". Is this supposed to be a joke? Because it's so remedial it's almost absurd and hard to reply to. Cortisol destroys friendly bacteria, which means candida will become inflamed and invasive. Especially without adequate sugar to feed off of. Maybe my "feed off of" was overly simplistic, and I'm being nice in assuming that's why you could possibly reply with something so idiotic. I'm trying to be as inoffensive as possible.

                  Furthermore, in low carb cortisol is permanently activated and constantly raising your blood sugar. But, there is nothing but tissues to feed off of? See where this becomes a problem.

                  Cortisol harms immune function, metabolic function(necessary for prevention of candida overgrowth) because it atrophies the thymus gland. It also depletes progesterone.

                  So, yeah, cortisol is hydrocortisone. It's fucking you up.

                  Also, low carb does not cause any harm to the thyroid. It can make the symptoms of an already existing thyroid issue such as Hashimoto's worse if not properly treated. This myth has been debunked so many times around here, it is getting tiring.
                  Read above, for a brief example of why low carb depletes thyroid function. It's also never been debunked, and I don't care about anecdotal experiences saying some bullshit on the internet about how they have 99.5 degree body temperature, etc.

                  I don't doubt that candida overgrowth can occur when your endocrine system is out of whack, but low carb diets are not the cause and eating gummi bears and Coke is not the cure.
                  Just think about it for a minute. Put down your walls and forget about your paleo bible or Dr. Atkins nonsense, and just think. Candida feeds off sugar. If it's well-fed, it is not harmful in the intestine because it's not becoming invasive to seek out sugar to feed off of. The yeasts can also penetrate your blood stream barrier while seeking out sugar to feed off of, and they need to be quickly destroyed by your white blood cells or they can cause problems. What happens when you're in low carb again? Cortisol is elevated. What is another function of cortisol? Oh, it also depletes immune function(white blood cells).

                  Your advice is ignorance bordering on irresponsibility.
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                  • #39
                    Also, you're damn right I will recommend someone eat gummy bears(gelatin is gooood for you) and mexican coke. I'm not female though, seriously, my forum avatars don't mean I'm female. I just like them. You remember my coffee amount, what I eat, etc, but can't even remember where I said I was a 6'3 man? Come on Paleobird.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                      Hahahaha, what? Yes, thanks for this direct copy and paste of wiki with absolutely no scientific basis for why "nothing can feed off cortisol". Is this supposed to be a joke? Because it's so remedial it's almost absurd and hard to reply to. Cortisol destroys friendly bacteria, which means candida will become inflamed and invasive. Especially without adequate sugar to feed off of. Maybe my "feed off of" was overly simplistic, and I'm being nice in assuming that's why you could possibly reply with something so idiotic. I'm trying to be as inoffensive as possible.

                      Furthermore, in low carb cortisol is permanently activated and constantly raising your blood sugar. But, there is nothing but tissues to feed off of? See where this becomes a problem.

                      Cortisol harms immune function, metabolic function(necessary for prevention of candida overgrowth) because it atrophies the thymus gland. It also depletes progesterone.

                      So, yeah, cortisol is hydrocortisone. It's fucking you up.


                      Read above, for a brief example of why low carb depletes thyroid function. It's also never been debunked, and I don't care about anecdotal experiences saying some bullshit on the internet about how they have 99.5 degree body temperature, etc.



                      Just think about it for a minute. Put down your walls and forget about your paleo bible or Dr. Atkins nonsense, and just think. Candida feeds off sugar. If it's well-fed, it is not harmful in the intestine because it's not becoming invasive to seek out sugar to feed off of. The yeasts can also penetrate your blood stream barrier while seeking out sugar to feed off of, and they need to be quickly destroyed by your white blood cells or they can cause problems. What happens when you're in low carb again? Cortisol is elevated. What is another function of cortisol? Oh, it also depletes immune function(white blood cells).

                      Your advice is ignorance bordering on irresponsibility.
                      Nice response much appreciated.
                      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                        Nice response much appreciated.


                        One thing I've noticed about Paleobird, is she's really quick to discredit but never seems to back up anything she says. I'm pretty patient and actually try to back up every claim I insert, but she does nothing but attempt to insult my gummy bears and mexican coke. Seriously, lay off my bears already, they've done nothing to you.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                          You clearly don't have a life as you spend way too much time attempting to dominate this forum. Especially for someone who doesn't even work for a living.
                          Boy, I went to a party this afternoon and am going out to dinner shortly and you are still here. Who needs to get a life?

                          Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          Seriously, your post count says otherwise.
                          You know that the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim.
                          Zach, I have spent most of the last year taking care of my terminally ill father who passed away a few weeks ago. So, yes the post count went way up because I was stuck at home all that time. Now I'm not and you can do your own research or choose to believe clowns like Chief Rok. I don't care.

                          Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                          She is forced down the road of low carb for one reason or another.
                          I eat low carb because it controls my epilepsy on a lower dose of medication. I don't say that everyone must eat this way ever.

                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Also, you're damn right I will recommend someone eat gummy bears(gelatin is gooood for you) and mexican coke. I'm not female though, seriously, my forum avatars don't mean I'm female. I just like them. You remember my coffee amount, what I eat, etc, but can't even remember where I said I was a 6'3 man? Come on Paleobird.
                          My apologies, I totally missed the part about you being a tall dude with all the avatar pics of young sexy women. Some of us use real pics of ourselves.

                          Yes, gelatin is great, I love it. I make unsweetened ice tea jello blocks a lot. It's the sugar I think is harmful.

                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          One thing I've noticed about Paleobird, is she's really quick to discredit but never seems to back up anything she says. I'm pretty patient and actually try to back up every claim I insert, but she does nothing but attempt to insult my gummy bears and mexican coke.
                          I just think that when someone is asking for advice with a health problem, they should know who that advice is coming from. The person who eats candy and coke is not really much of a Primal spokesperson.

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                          • #43
                            Ugh, way to address everything EXCEPT your comment that low carb does not effect thyroid. Also i have been doing research for 8+ years and have never once read that, i have however read much to the contrary.

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                            • #44
                              Enter low carb and thyroid into the search bar above. This is page one of ten available to you. But if that is too much work, then just go read Chief Rok's blog and don't think that hard. My point was not to prove or disprove anything. Merely to point out that the topic had already been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam.

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                              Glucose deficency and Thyroid | Mark's Daily Apple Health and ...
                              Low carb does not hurt your thyroid so dont worry about that. The physiological change in thyroid hormone from low carb IF it is from low carb ...
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                              Low Carb and Thyroid Function - Page 4 | Mark's Daily Apple Health ...
                              I know nothing about the thyroid and how low carb effects it buuuuuuuuut I just want to say that I am on a zero carb diet and as you can see my ...
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                              Howdy all! I've been dealing with some health problems (hypothyroid, elevated cortisol, undiagnosed digestive stuff[dysbiosis?]) and acne for ...
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                              I am already hypothyroid (Hashimoto's), and I've read all the nonsense about how low carb/low calorie, etc. will 'ruin' the thyroid. But I was ...
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                              Low Carb and Thyroid Function - Page 5 | Mark's Daily Apple Health ...
                              Originally Posted by BestBetter Not trying to pick a fight, I have a sincere question : This thread was created for the purpose of gathering.
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                              Low Carb and Thyroid Function - Page 3 | Mark's Daily Apple Health ...
                              Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername I get hair loss, cold extremities, fatigue and anxiety if I stay very low carb, many on this forum do.
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                              I am wondering if the low carb nature of these diets can do that? ... (autism mom here), and I am already taking armour to up my thyroid a little.
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                              Low Carb and Thyroid Function - Page 2 | Mark's Daily Apple Health ...
                              I have hypothyroidism and and have been having trouble with insomnia since going LC. It has been getting worse not better. For the past ...
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                              Last edited by Paleobird; 12-01-2012, 06:36 PM.

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                              • #45
                                I was surprised to read this not too long ago on the Perfect Health Diet website. Paul Jaminet's response to one reader in 2011 regarding systemic Candidiasis was this:

                                "Sugar does feed fungi, but (1) the main concern is internal infection and blood sugar is regulated, so eating carbs doesnít raise blood sugar much; (2) the immune response to fungi requires glucose and is downregulated if you donít eat carbs; and (3) on very low-carb dieting youíll generate ketones which is an even better food for fungi than sugar.

                                Overall, youíll do better with a systemic Candidiasis if you eat more carbs."

                                I tend to think that Jaminet knows his stuff and this was the first time I'd heard this theory, but I could have just been late to the game.
                                Life is not a matter of having good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.

                                - Robert Louis Stevenson

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