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  • I don't get the majority of people on this thread either calling Zach a troll or just responding to him seemingly looking for an argument. And Zach, why are you bothering to respond to the people simply repeating the paleo/primal mantra to you. They obviously seem to think their way of eating/living is the best, just ignore them and hopefully they will stop trolling this thread.

    That said, despite the bold claim in the title of this thread (which I assume was to attract people to a somewhat obscure thread for the paleo-sphere), I think Zach's intention was to get some people on this forum that had some interest in alternative health/lifestyle/dietary views to read and discuss those on Chief's blog. Yes, despite the fact that all the primals trolling this thread seem to be in great health, there are some on this forum following this lifestyle that aren't doing so well and may be looking for alternative ideas.

    And as far as all the comments regarding Chief just trying to get people to give him money - he primarily seems to want to get people interested in his blog, which in turn is definitely a way for him to generate money through donations. The donations will support a project he has started to help disadvantaged/at-risk native american youth. This is what he is passionate about and is using his knowledge and blog to generate funding. Yes these are all just claims and I am as skeptical as any of you. But the purpose of this thread isn't to get people to donate money, but rather get people involved in a discussion on his blog.

    Zach and Chief - please correct me if I was in err in any of my statements.
    Last edited by Alex; 11-29-2012, 08:46 AM.

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    • Thanks Alex, good post. This is getting a bit off subject and those who want to learn more or think they know it all about carbs, calories, etc should do themselves a favor and check out other blogs like 180degreehealth.com, dannyroddy.com and others who have opposing views of the paleo websites. They might just learn a thing or two.

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      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Sometimes people become so deranged and orthorexic about their diets that only way to save them is the pizza and beer diet. I have seen it a hundred times over and you wont get it until it happens to you.



        I didnt use the word paleo once.
        OK so this is a different Zach...ROFL

        Originally posted by Zach View Post

        As for myself, i did strict paleo for over two years, then primal, then carnivore. Throughout the whole time my health deteriorated, i got fatter and my thyroid got destroyed. People like Peat, Stone and even Durian Rider showed me that there was more to it then just eating whole foods and avoids certain neolithic foods.

        Primal is just a theory. Most that are the hardcore believers have not even been on the diet long enough to know how it effects them. Paleo dogma is just as dangerous as vegan propaganda.
        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Because eating only fruits and vegetables is just playing into the orthorexic mindset nonsense. Grains have never been and never will be a cause of disease unless your talking gluten and celiac. And once again it is far to complicated to blame gluten as the driving factor, sure it exacerbates the probelm, but is it the root cause? Also have you ever questioned what you know about carbs? I dont agree with your thoughts on how many carbs people need.
        Grains are linked to more than just celiac, there are many people who are wheat sensitive, leaky gut, etc. If you want to eat grains which are mostly sugar be my guest but nutrient dense fruit and veg are a much better carb source.


        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        If anything its you thats backpeddling. I have written out thoughtful statements and you have responded with one name calling, sarcasm and accusations. Its all good though because someday you just might understand what i am talking about. Also it keeps this post bumped.
        Thoughtful statemens like eat empty calories?!? LOL.
        Last edited by Dirlot; 11-29-2012, 09:21 AM.
        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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        • Sorry bud but you just don't know what you are talking about.

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          • then tell him exactly what you mean, if him going by the words you type is wrong, zach

            also, can you (i'm serious here) explain why modern wheat is okay to eat when my body reacts negatively to it in the form of hormonal problems and widespread bodyache
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            yeah you are

            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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            • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
              then tell him exactly what you mean, if him going by the words you type is wrong, zach

              also, can you (i'm serious here) explain why modern wheat is okay to eat when my body reacts negatively to it in the form of hormonal problems and widespread bodyache
              My last 4 or so posts have been explanations. He responds with "troll" and "lol". No reason to keep trying. He has his mind set and isnt about to give up any ground.

              Modern as opposed to what? There is whole grain, sprouted, white but wheat is wheat. Understanding why it is giving you a negative reaction would be a start. I never did say that wheat specifically was good or bad, just that grains in general can be perfectly healthy.

              Are you eating a low carb diet? How long have you been wheat free? Has it always negatively affected you, even as a kid or is this a recent problem? What do you mean by hormonal problems?

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              • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                My last 4 or so posts have been explanations. He responds with "troll" and "lol". No reason to keep trying. He has his mind set and isnt about to give up any ground.
                Hey, Zach - I know you came to this forum to talk about the potato diet + coconut oil, you actually seem to have a solid background in nutrition and are literate. You'd probably be an asset around here if you quit trying to defend whatever you are defending in this post and just read for a few weeks and get a feel for how we operate. You'd be surprised how open we are to new people and ideas. Once a thread sinks to page 3 or 4, it's pretty much gone forever...that may be the best place for this thread.

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                • Thanks Otzi, not really trying to defend, more give people a chance to think about the other side of the coin, so to speak. I promise i wont be bumping this, just wanted to respond to people asking questions.

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                  • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    Sometimes people become so deranged and orthorexic about their diets that only way to save them is the pizza and beer diet. I have seen it a hundred times over and you wont get it until it happens to you.


                    I didnt use the word paleo once.


                    Because eating only fruits and vegetables is just playing into the orthorexic mindset nonsense. Grains have never been and never will be a cause of disease unless your talking gluten and celiac. And once again it is far to complicated to blame gluten as the driving factor, sure it exacerbates the probelm, but is it the root cause? Also have you ever questioned what you know about carbs? I dont agree with your thoughts on how many carbs people need.
                    I'm not orthorexic and not even necessarily paleo. I come to this site because I like to learn news things and ideas and incorporate them into my lifestyle.

                    I don't eat grains or wheat simply because I prefer not to, not because I'm afraid to or because I believe that they're dangerous. I'll eat them on occasion when I go out with friends or family, but they're not a staple for me as I prefer to eat more nutrient dense foods.

                    I did not say that grains are the cause of disease, nor that one to stay away from them. I simply said there isn't a need for them (as they're nutritionally absent) unless you just really wanted to increase your carb intake.

                    Since you disagree with my thoughts about the amount of carbs people need, care to share your opinion on the matter?

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                    • Originally posted by Jmagic View Post
                      I'm not orthorexic and not even necessarily paleo. I come to this site because I like to learn news things and ideas and incorporate them into my lifestyle.

                      I don't eat grains or wheat simply because I prefer not to, not because I'm afraid to or because I believe that they're dangerous. I'll eat them on occasion when I go out with friends or family, but they're not a staple for me as I prefer to eat more nutrient dense foods.

                      I did not say that grains are the cause of disease, nor that one to stay away from them. I simply said there isn't a need for them (as they're nutritionally absent) unless you just really wanted to increase your carb intake.

                      Since you disagree with my thoughts about the amount of carbs people need, care to share your opinion on the matter?
                      Not calling you orthorexic, just talking about someone who needs to exclude certain foods for "superior" ones because of something someone else proclaimed as truth without even considering how their body responds is just silly.

                      I think maybe in a first world country like ours there is no need for grains, but around the world, people depend on them to stay alive. That makes them pretty important as a food.

                      Looking back, i guess i dont disagree with you per see, maybe it is true that obese, unhealthy, sedentary people do not need as many carbs as a highly active individual with a great metabolism. Dont dont agree that there is any one number like everyone needs 150g of carbs to fill glycogen storage. Everyone is different, everyones energy needs are different and i truly believe that for the vast majority of people, carbs should be their go to source for energy. This means that amounts could vary vastly, depending on many factors.

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                      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                        My last 4 or so posts have been explanations. He responds with "troll" and "lol". No reason to keep trying. He has his mind set and isnt about to give up any ground.

                        Modern as opposed to what? There is whole grain, sprouted, white but wheat is wheat. Understanding why it is giving you a negative reaction would be a start. I never did say that wheat specifically was good or bad, just that grains in general can be perfectly healthy.

                        Are you eating a low carb diet? How long have you been wheat free? Has it always negatively affected you, even as a kid or is this a recent problem? What do you mean by hormonal problems?
                        usually, not always, but usually when people discuss grains they mean wheat (maybe oats.. rarely rice) so that's where i'm coming from.

                        by modern i mean everything getting gmo'd with pesticide genes

                        and i'm not eating low carb, i eat potatoes, tomatoes, fruit and dairy. sometimes rice

                        and finally, i have hormonal issues in the form of pcos. when i cut out wheat i stop experiencing pretty much every symptom i had. when i add wheat back in, symptoms show up by the next day. the longer i eat wheat products, the more the inner symptoms develop (no period, etc)
                        beautiful
                        yeah you are

                        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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                        • Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                          Oh please oh troll enlighten us fools who think nutrition is important for health and shovelling spoonfuls of sugar is a bad thing?
                          Because sugar suppresses stress hormones, and also the liberation of fatty acids from triglycerides and phospholipids. It seems like it's nutritionally void, but it's doing much more on another level.

                          It's funny you're so irrational you have to twist around his words. A little bit insecure are we?

                          The crusade against gluten is pretty blown out of proportion. I would even go so far as to say the green vegetables you people eat truckloads of a day are more harmful.
                          Make America Great Again

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                          • I don't eat much greenery. All the oxalates and nitrates sort of turn me off. So I'm getting it on with organ meats, eggs, typical Primal fare. Because since giving up grains and crap oils I have changed my life. No longer do I walk with a limp, have huge zits, constant farts, a huge gut, seasonal allergies, and more. Maybe it's not the gluten, maybe it's Round-Up. Perhaps we all just have Round-Up allergies.

                            As for sugar, I say it's not bad in small amounts, maybe moderate amounts for some people. Remember, Mark himself puts sugar in his coffee and has - in at least one interview - given sugar a break. It's the excess of it, the living on it and being addicted to not only it, but the crap food it often comes in that can ruin health. Not that I'd just up and drink 80g of dissolved pure sugar anytime soon, but some dark chocolate, some honey, molasses and dates and raisins aren't the devil. Mountain Dew and Snickers are the devil.
                            Crohn's, doing SCD

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                            • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                              The crusade against gluten is pretty blown out of proportion. I would even go so far as to say the green vegetables you people eat truckloads of a day are more harmful.
                              hmmmmmnawww, naw. just naw
                              beautiful
                              yeah you are

                              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                              lol

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                              • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                                hmmmmmnawww, naw. just naw
                                Undigested cellulose, leads to increased inflammation, irritated digestive track, increased serotonin levels, thyroid suppressing goitrogens, chemical substances, polyunsaturated fats, etc etc
                                Make America Great Again

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