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    I was reading this: Your Key to Safe Fasting | AllAboutFasting and this exerpt caught my eye:

    True hunger is a sensation in the mouth and throat, similar to thirst, and not a gnawing pain in the stomach. The way it will get your attention is that comes after many days of experiencing no hunger. Seemingly out of the blue, you'll have an intense desire for food.

    When food is taken at this point, it tastes extraordinarily wonderful, a real sensual treat. And the act of eating itself is fulfilling, creating feelings of contentment and pleasure. This is the experience eating is supposed to be.
    Since I've struggled with weight issues all my life, I'm asking you all (especially those for whom weight isn't much of an issue) what you think of that? Is that true? Is that when "normal" weight people eat?

    Those two paragraphs are in a context of fasting, but I guess I never thought to ask people who are "naturally" a good weight what hunger feels like to them.

    Thanks in advance for any input.
    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

  • #2
    That sounds exactly opposite to what I experience "true hunger" vs. "food craving" as.

    There's no mention here of the literal tummy rumbles that accompany stomach-based hunger. I wonder why?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sarasue624 View Post
      That sounds exactly opposite to what I experience "true hunger" vs. "food craving" as.

      There's no mention here of the literal tummy rumbles that accompany stomach-based hunger. I wonder why?
      Me too. That definition seems to be more mental/emotional need for food. It's when the tummy seriously rumbles so that other people in the room can hear it that you are genuinely hungry, IMO.

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      • #4
        For me I know I'm 'hungry' when I start getting frustrated, short tempered or whiney. I rarely actually feel hungry.

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        • #5
          I rarely feel hungry myself. I know it though by my attitude getting short, angry, frustrated, I can't concentrate on anything... And then, suddenly, after I eat, I am a joy to be around once more.

          Or so people tell me after a good meal.
          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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          • #6
            I'm not bothered by hunger. I can tell true hunger when my stomach is growling for food. Anything else is just a craving.
            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

            "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Noctiluca View Post
              For me I know I'm 'hungry' when I start getting frustrated, short tempered or whiney. I rarely actually feel hungry.
              Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
              I rarely feel hungry myself. I know it though by my attitude getting short, angry, frustrated, I can't concentrate on anything... And then, suddenly, after I eat, I am a joy to be around once more.
              Or so people tell me after a good meal.
              These two sound like sugar burning metabolisms.

              Originally posted by Damiana View Post
              I'm not bothered by hunger. I can tell true hunger when my stomach is growling for food. Anything else is just a craving.
              This sounds like someone who is well and truly fat adapted.

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              • #8
                Quote Originally Posted by Drumroll View Post
                I rarely feel hungry myself. I know it though by my attitude getting short, angry, frustrated, I can't concentrate on anything... And then, suddenly, after I eat, I am a joy to be around once more.
                Or so people tell me after a good meal.
                These two sound like sugar burning metabolisms.

                If you don't mind me popping in FWIW:

                Been T1 for 30 years and noticed a pattern:

                When I had an easy repetitive task to do and my thoughts cd. meander to other things, I realized when negative thoughts, irritability, etc. wd. fill my mind more often than not it was low blood sugar. For me it was an early sign, say about 72 mg/dl. Sorry for butting in-Thought it cd. be relevant to someone.

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                • #9
                  I'm finding that I can fast for quite a long time without feeling actual hunger pangs. It's been 26 hours now and still nothing. I don't think that's always a reliable source for hunger, but it certainly can be.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    These two sound like sugar burning metabolisms.
                    I get that way, even when I'm deep into ketosis, which I am quite often (though probably not right now because of the Thanksgiving holiday). I am used to going for multiple-day fasts, but eventually, I do start to get cranky, even if it takes three days.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                      I get that way, even when I'm deep into ketosis, which I am quite often (though probably not right now because of the Thanksgiving holiday). I am used to going for multiple-day fasts, but eventually, I do start to get cranky, even if it takes three days.
                      That's interesting. When I do a long fast I generally just start feeling kind of weak about day 3 or 4 even though the tummy gave up and stopped rumbling after the first 24 hours. Day two is always the best one for me.

                      I thought you were talking more about the kind of cranky that CW dieters get if they don't get their 100 cal snack packs every three hours.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Noctiluca View Post
                        For me I know I'm 'hungry' when I start getting frustrated, short tempered or whiney. I rarely actually feel hungry.
                        And by that I mean it's not so much that other people would even notice it but I notice that I get grumpy about not getting to do things exactly MY way and things that normally wouldn't bother me do. Once I notice, it's ok. But if I can find a meal at that point the day goes easier!

                        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                        I rarely feel hungry myself. I know it though by my attitude getting short, angry, frustrated, I can't concentrate on anything... And then, suddenly, after I eat, I am a joy to be around once more.

                        Or so people tell me after a good meal.
                        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        These two sound like sugar burning metabolisms.

                        [/B]This sounds like someone who is well and truly fat adapted.
                        Well all I can say to that is that I am also completely ok with not eating when I get up, head out to the gym, work, a hike, a full day of physical labor, whatever and be totally fine not eating all day. So no idea where that leaves me in the 'fat adapted' or 'sugar adapted' but I think my stomach has learned that any growls will most likely be ignored anyway!
                        Last edited by Noctiluca; 11-26-2012, 10:40 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          That's interesting. When I do a long fast I generally just start feeling kind of weak about day 3 or 4 even though the tummy gave up and stopped rumbling after the first 24 hours. Day two is always the best one for me.

                          I thought you were talking more about the kind of cranky that CW dieters get if they don't get their 100 cal snack packs every three hours.
                          It is EXACTLY that kind of cranky. I just take a LOOOOOOOOOONG time to get there (48-72 hours).
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                          • #14
                            Interesting responses. I'm trying to teach my brain/body to know when it needs food. And I also wonder if, as a person who has had to lose weight three times in her life whether there isn't some dysfunction going on. I also wonder (lots of wondering going on) if/why overweight people need to eat much of anything (I have about 25-30 pounds left to ditch) since we have a nice "pantry" of fat already stored and ready for use.

                            Left to my own devices, I'm not hungry until about 6pm, and I've taught myself to begin cooking/preparing my main meal at that time so I eat by about 7pm. But smells from cooking (mine or the neighbors or the place that does outdoor barbeque on Saturdays, etc.) can trigger the grumbles even though I'm not really hungry. That might be adaptive to the species; i.e., the tribe has food, so let's eat!

                            I guess my goal is to eventually not only get my body healthy and slim, but to get my brain and body to recognize real needs for food. Then I wonder if I can actually do that right now because I still have this "pantry" of fat on me, but I eat anyway, and I'm not sure that's logical. Ack - it's a vicious circle.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #15
                              I don't know if I'm fat adapted or not, since my interpretation of primal tends to be on the lower side of fat, I eat mostly vegetables and seafood, and have taken to eating straight butter to keep my calories up. It's just that my hunger mechanism has always been nonexistent and I'm strange in that I have always felt better, clearer, more alert, when I am in a state of hunger. Satiety makes me sleepy and lethargic regardless of what I eat. I get the physical sensation if fullness after a few bites and have always forced myself to eat past my feeling of physical fullness. That and I love eating
                              F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                              "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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