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  • #16
    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
    Well, the way Mark Rippetoe puts it, "Baby mammals drink milk, and you sir, are a baby mammal." Milk is designed to grow a small calf into a 1000 pound steer in a very short amount of time. He recommends underdeveloped folks like you to drink a gallon of milk a day and to eat so much that you actually dread it and feel like puking. It has to become your job. I'm not sure that I personally would follow this recommendation even if I were a skinny 6' male in college. That much milk seems really gross. But you could try it and see what happens. Or you could just make sure to eat as much meat as you possibly can.
    I <3 Rip. That being said want to know what the results of consuming a gallon of milk a day as part of a 4000 cal diet are?

    Like taking f#$%-ing steroids!

    I, a grown ass man of reasonable size, was able to put on 9 pounds of muscle (not fat) in a month. I struggled to gain more weight, until I learned to double what I was eating.
    "Go For Broke"
    Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
    Small Kine-168/9%
    Now- 200/8%
    Goal- 210/6%

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    • #17
      Originally posted by elliottsmith View Post
      What about people bulking up on a strict paleo diet? Is there anyone on this site gaining lean mass from pure paleo (or primal as it is on here) diet?
      I wouldn't say I'm "strict" but mass quantities of milk, heavy cream, eggs, beef, bacon and some white rice and sweet potatoes. I tolerate dairy well and am sensitive to gluten, so eating gluten is a non starter.
      "Go For Broke"
      Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
      Small Kine-168/9%
      Now- 200/8%
      Goal- 210/6%

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      • #18
        I'll pass on the milk.

        Seriously guys, i've never been one to claim that a single source of nutrients can be so dangerous, but I can comfortably say that about milk.

        I can post studies too if anyone is interested.

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        • #19
          You say you know how to lift and you have a routine BUT....what is it and how long have you been lifting for? Weight progression etc.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          Don't forget to play!

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          • #20
            OK eat 3 pounds of beef a day.
            "Go For Broke"
            Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
            Small Kine-168/9%
            Now- 200/8%
            Goal- 210/6%

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            • #21
              Milk or no milk, you gotta eat way, way, way more. You don't have to forget about primal, but you may have to stretch your parameters. And lower the vegetable intake. The volume and caloric sparsity will inhibit your ability to put calories in your body. I've been eating my ass off on primal or borderline primal foods (white rice, white potatoes, even peanut butter on occasion), and drinking 1/2 to 1 gallon of milk a day. I've gained 25 pounds in just about 2 months, and about half of that is lean mass. The rest will come off all the more easily once I stop stuffing myself. And yes, I spend a decent portion of the day wanting to ralph, so I plan the heaviest face-stuffings in the morning and work out in the afternoon once I've digested enough to hold it down when I'm squatting or jiu-jitsuing.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #22
                I don't agree with all the people saying to eat, eat, eat to the point of discomfort and to stuff yourself with carbs and milk. First off, what kind of weight do you want to gain, muscle or fat&water weight?!? Next, do you want to do anything that is not sustainable? Even if you get the results you want from doing this, do you really think you will be able to maintain it longterm? Do you want to fatten yourself up then have to struggle to shed the fat off later?

                I would say eat a moderate amount of carbs but don't go overboard and hit the weights hard. Increase you calorie consumption, try to make a conscious effort to eat more often, larger quantities, more calorie dense food, protein, fat, ect. Eating more will increase your ability to eat more, as will lifting weight, but do it gradually and make sure that it feels natural the whole time, don't force feed yourself to the point of being in pain. Also, you can put weight on with Leangains but it will be muscle, not fat. I put on over 10 lbs on leangains while shredding more than 2 inches off my waist at the same time.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by elektro View Post
                  I don't agree with all the people saying to eat, eat, eat to the point of discomfort and to stuff yourself with carbs and milk. First off, what kind of weight do you want to gain, muscle or fat&water weight?!?
                  It's not impossible to gain muscle while losing/maintaining fat, but it's damnably hard. For hardgainers, it's all but impossible. The OP needs to eat more.

                  Originally posted by elektro
                  Next, do you want to do anything that is not sustainable? Even if you get the results you want from doing this, do you really think you will be able to maintain it longterm? Do you want to fatten yourself up then have to struggle to shed the fat off later?
                  Not gonna happen. We're not talking about an obese person. We're talking about a stick figure (no offense).

                  Originally posted by elektro
                  I would say eat a moderate amount of carbs but don't go overboard and hit the weights hard. Increase you calorie consumption, try to make a conscious effort to eat more often, larger quantities, more calorie dense food, protein, fat, ect. Eating more will increase your ability to eat more, as will lifting weight, but do it gradually and make sure that it feels natural the whole time, don't force feed yourself to the point of being in pain. Also, you can put weight on with Leangains but it will be muscle, not fat. I put on over 10 lbs on leangains while shredding more than 2 inches off my waist at the same time.
                  Congratulations, but obviously you had 2 inches off your waist to lose. It's a whole different ballgame for someone who's super skinny to begin with. Lifting and overeating for a while is not going to make the OP fat. Trying to walk the tightrope of muscle gain and fat-loss (or fat stabilization) will end in poor/no strength gains and poor/no weight gains for him. There's nothing for him to recomp. He has to gain.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    Trying to walk the tightrope of muscle gain and fat-loss (or fat stabilization) will end in poor/no strength gains and poor/no weight gains for him. There's nothing for him to recomp. He has to gain.
                    Yeah, I've kind of learned this the hard way already :\


                    It's all gravy though, once I get back in this gym on Monday after TG break, I'm gonna be a MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • #25
                      Yes, I've gained 25 lbs since starting paleo about 2 years ago. Eat fattier cuts of meat and get in plenty of starch. It wasn't even that difficult and I'm far from a beginner athlete as I've been lifting weights since early high school.
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                      • #26
                        To those who added mass while increasing carbs and fat: did the extra consumption of carbs have any adverse effects on your health (primarily cholesterol, BP, blood sugar)?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Emmet Fitz-Hume View Post
                          To those who added mass while increasing carbs and fat: did the extra consumption of carbs have any adverse effects on your health (primarily cholesterol, BP, blood sugar)?
                          If training hard for several hours per day, you burn off the carbs very quickly, and the only adverse effect I have noticed of carbs, after the age of forthy, is that wheat products tend to make me gassy. Especially fresh bread affects me negatively. Carbs from potatoes and fruits are no problems...
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