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  • #76
    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
    What I find reasonable is that the artists that made realistic figures like that, must have seen some obese persons to model their art...
    Of course that's reasonable, but it's not reasonable (not that you did - I haven't read all of your posts!) to assume that there were a lot of obese people. Perhaps a couple of elites? Or a priestess/medicine woman of some kind? The point is that we don't really know.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by jojohaligo View Post
      Of course that's reasonable, but it's not reasonable (not that you did - I haven't read all of your posts!) to assume that there were a lot of obese people. Perhaps a couple of elites? Or a priestess/medicine woman of some kind? The point is that we don't really know.
      Maybe those statues are educational aids for obesity. Some day they will find our displays of fat and think we worshipped lumps of fat.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by jojohaligo View Post
        Of course that's reasonable, but it's not reasonable (not that you did - I haven't read all of your posts!) to assume that there were a lot of obese people. Perhaps a couple of elites? Or a priestess/medicine woman of some kind? The point is that we don't really know.
        If not a fertility godess, maybe it was just a profane female sexsymbol? Grok's personal pin-up that he carried with him when going hunting...
        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

        - Schopenhauer

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
          If not a fertility godess, maybe it was just a profane female sexsymbol? Grok's personal pin-up that he carried with him when going hunting...
          So...chub chasing is primal?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
            What I find reasonable is that the artists that made realistic figures like that, must have seen some obese persons to model their art...


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            • #81
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              Disclaimer: If this offends you, I really don't give a shit.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by J. Stanton View Post


                I think I understand what you are trying to say J. Stanton, but do you really seriously think that a paelolittic artist that made such a naturalistic statue of an obese woman never had seen an overfat person before? He must have had a pretty good fantacy to make it so realistic then:

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                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                - Schopenhauer

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                  I think I understand what you are trying to say J. Stanton, but do you really seriously think that a paelolittic artist that made such a naturalistic statue of an obese woman never had seen an overfat person before? He must have had a pretty good fantacy to make it so realistic then:

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                  Hoo. Boy! I should never have even mentioned it. This same mulberry bush has been circled way too many times.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    Hoo. Boy! I should never have even mentioned it. This same mulberry bush has been circled way too many times.
                    What's your opinion on this important issue then, do you belong to those that believes that nobody had seen a fat person before people started grinding grains?
                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    - Schopenhauer

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                      What's your opinion on this important issue then, do you belong to those that believes that nobody had seen a fat person before people started grinding grains?
                      I belong to the group of people that think that sometimes symbols use extremes. I mean, perhaps there were a ton of men walking around with 2 foot penises or perhaps they were just statues of fertility gods. Perhaps they were smart enough to figure out that a pregnant woman would gain weight and some extra body fat was helpful and made their fertility goddess and extreme of this. Perhaps I should stop posting and go and eat 5 pounds of potatoes or 3 dozen eggs. Ah, the world is full of possibilities.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        What's your opinion on this important issue then, do you belong to those that believes that nobody had seen a fat person before people started grinding grains?
                        First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that nobody was ever fat before the advent of the millstone. Secondly, the representations are of PREGNANT women, not FAT women. It's not about being fat, it's about being fertile. There are fertility goddess worship examples from all over the world. A woman about ready to give birth is the ultimate symbol of fertility which then also becomes a deity/object of worship in order to "pray" for the fertility of the earth i.e. good weather, good gathering, good hunting.

                        Anthropology 101. Yes, some of it is speculation but a lot is based on the study of the world's remaining hunter/gatherer societies as well. Looking at those statuettes now and saying "Look at the fat lady", is just us looking at it through our cultural biases.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that nobody was ever fat before the advent of the millstone.
                          And I never said so either, I asked about your opinion only.

                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Secondly, the representations are of PREGNANT women, not FAT women.
                          Maybe fat AND pregnant then? I have seen some pregnant woman in my life, but nobody that fat though...

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                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          It's not about being fat, it's about being fertile. There are fertility goddess worship examples from all over the world. A woman about ready to give birth is the ultimate symbol of fertility which then also becomes a deity/object of worship in order to "pray" for the fertility of the earth i.e. good weather, good gathering, good hunting.
                          Well, I do not disagree that this is meant to be a fertility godess, thats the most probable explanation anyhow. But my point is only that the the artist that made it must have seen some fat people to make the statue so realistic. Some people on this thread seem to imply that paelolittic man was never fat, which I find very unlikely...
                          Last edited by Gorbag; 11-26-2012, 08:15 PM.
                          "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                          - Schopenhauer

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                          • #88
                            I trekked in Nepal several years ago and I remember seeing a hugely obese woman in one of the villages. Note that in that part of the world there are no paved roads and the only transportation for goods and services is on the backs of humans or animals. They lived in stone houses or in houses woven of reeds. People mostly ate lentils, rice, greens, carrots, potatoes and yak.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                              And I never said so either, I asked about your opinion only.
                              Maybe fat AND pregnant then? I have seen some pregnant woman in my life, but nobody that fat though...

                              Well, I do not disagree that this is meant to be a fertility godess, thats the most probable explanation anyhow. But my point is only that the the artist that made it must have seen some fat people to make the statue so realistic. Some people on this thread seem to imply that paelolittic man was never fat, which I find very unlikely...
                              It's *symbolic* artwork, not literal. smh.

                              There probably were occasional individuals such as royalty or shaman who did not need to hunt and gather for a living who might have been larger than average. (The paleolithic counterparts to politicians and televangelists.) Everyone else though would have been in shape I think. If you couldn't run down a mammoth or outrun a saber toothed tiger, you didn't live to reproduce.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                                I belong to the group of people that think that sometimes symbols use extremes. I mean, perhaps there were a ton of men walking around with 2 foot penises or perhaps they were just statues of fertility gods. Perhaps they were smart enough to figure out that a pregnant woman would gain weight and some extra body fat was helpful and made their fertility goddess and extreme of this. Perhaps I should stop posting and go and eat 5 pounds of potatoes or 3 dozen eggs. Ah, the world is full of possibilities.
                                hahaha - made me laugh
                                Female, age 51, 5' 9"
                                SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

                                Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
                                2013 goals are to get fit and strong!

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